From 895b881841ff75b1d7e8ae5c55f3210a429f3737 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: str4d Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:42:18 +0000 Subject: [PATCH] Edited log to match others --- i2p2www/meetings/logs/207.log | 731 ++++++++++++++++------------------ 1 file changed, 349 insertions(+), 382 deletions(-) diff --git a/i2p2www/meetings/logs/207.log b/i2p2www/meetings/logs/207.log index 2150edca..7e57b7da 100644 --- a/i2p2www/meetings/logs/207.log +++ b/i2p2www/meetings/logs/207.log @@ -1,382 +1,349 @@ -2009 Feb 10 20:58:32 dev meeting eh? -2009 Feb 10 20:59:27 -*- dream turns on devo -2009 Feb 10 21:00:25 dream: ah.. glad you're here too :) -2009 Feb 10 21:00:51 0) Hello -2009 Feb 10 21:00:55 you are? -2009 Feb 10 21:00:58 1) I2P 0.7 -2009 Feb 10 21:01:02 2) Syndie -2009 Feb 10 21:01:06 3) Donations -2009 Feb 10 21:01:15 4) ???? -2009 Feb 10 21:01:21 5) A short poem recital by zzz -2009 Feb 10 21:01:39 0) Hello -2009 Feb 10 21:01:53 hi -2009 Feb 10 21:02:00 welcome all to the #207th dev meeting -2009 Feb 10 21:02:05 'lo -2009 Feb 10 21:02:20 'lo! -2009 Feb 10 21:02:40 welcome! -2009 Feb 10 21:02:43 so, let's start by covering what's happened since April 10 2007, if anything -2009 Feb 10 21:02:48 Just to put that in perspective it's been nearly 2 years since hte last one -2009 Feb 10 21:03:06 well... bush is out....obama in.... -2009 Feb 10 21:03:36 lol USA -2009 Feb 10 21:03:51 1) I2P 0.7 -2009 Feb 10 21:03:56 I guess the 0.7 release note is a good idea what happend to I2P -2009 Feb 10 21:04:20 Well it looks like the rollout of 0.7 has gone fairly smoothly -2009 Feb 10 21:04:22 with about 84% network coverage now -2009 Feb 10 21:04:29 not bad -2009 Feb 10 21:04:48 :-) -2009 Feb 10 21:04:48 How much ahs the network grown since 0.7? -2009 Feb 10 21:04:48 A big cheer to the dev team and release crew for getting it out of the door -2009 Feb 10 21:04:52 one bug i may point out that i and another user have noticed though is -2009 Feb 10 21:04:52 or even since Christmas? -2009 Feb 10 21:05:21 -*- welt waits for stats.i2p to load.. -2009 Feb 10 21:05:28 -=- Sie sind nun als welterde bekannt -2009 Feb 10 21:05:31 hottuna_: a fairly slow but steady growth if the stats are anything to go by -2009 Feb 10 21:05:41 adding new private hosts in susidns requirs manual editing of the privathosts.txt file -2009 Feb 10 21:06:08 zzz: wasn't that the bug you fixed recently? -2009 Feb 10 21:06:18 or was that sth different? -2009 Feb 10 21:06:25 the stats shows a steady slow growing -2009 Feb 10 21:06:35 yeah, i broke it in 0.7, just fixed it yesterday, will be in -4 -2009 Feb 10 21:06:40 welterde: yes, he seens to have fixed it -2009 Feb 10 21:07:05 something to look forward to in 7.0.1 -2009 Feb 10 21:07:14 zzz: good.. that's done then -2009 Feb 10 21:07:16 eerm 0.7.1 -2009 Feb 10 21:07:19 more users :-) -2009 Feb 10 21:07:22 sorry about that -2009 Feb 10 21:07:35 what are you guys going to do about network lag...its a growing problem it seems , on the weekends i2p seems overloaded -2009 Feb 10 21:07:56 maybe some more streaming lib tweaks? -2009 Feb 10 21:07:57 ethier i think more users is good -2009 Feb 10 21:08:00 zzz: well you've fixed and improved enough stuff to be allowed the odd breakage :) -2009 Feb 10 21:08:33 I've suggested motivating user to share by having some ratio indicator on the console -2009 Feb 10 21:08:57 that sounds good -2009 Feb 10 21:09:14 network load went big last month -2009 Feb 10 21:09:17 freak, i'm looking at tweaking the capacity calculation in the peer profiles just a little, to react better when things get busy. -2009 Feb 10 21:09:20 months, looks fairly well so far -2009 Feb 10 21:09:51 zzz: wicked :) -2009 Feb 10 21:09:55 this may be ambitious bout how about using a cron job in linux or whatever windows uses to volunteer bandwidth to i2p when their computer is not being used -2009 Feb 10 21:10:17 these things have to be adjusted with great care though, and it takes a full release cycle to test any change -2009 Feb 10 21:10:21 a scheduler would be and awesome solution aswell -2009 Feb 10 21:10:24 to dumb it down -2009 Feb 10 21:10:28 The publicity push for release 0.7 seems to have had a marginal effect on numbers, but not nearly the impact I would have hoped for -2009 Feb 10 21:10:41 detect when network / cpu is idle and use it/ dont use when it is -2009 Feb 10 21:10:43 zzz: that recent addition to I2CP doesn't allow that yet, right? -2009 Feb 10 21:10:52 some good coverage in german news sites though -2009 Feb 10 21:11:04 but slashdot/digg/reddit was rather pathetic -2009 Feb 10 21:11:09 allow what welterde ? -2009 Feb 10 21:11:14 <-- Roomster (romster@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:11:29 zzz: to change the ratio/up-bw/down-bw from outside the routerconsole -2009 Feb 10 21:11:29 badger: it needs some time for users to get known to it and keep steady with it :-) -2009 Feb 10 21:11:32 and a defult auto startup registry entry would be nice or a simple shell script for unix -2009 Feb 10 21:12:04 no welterde it has nothing to do with that -2009 Feb 10 21:12:08 dunno about the pr.. i suppose that our 'brand name' will grow every time we have a new release adn a pr wave to that -2009 Feb 10 21:12:13 zzz: thought so :/ -2009 Feb 10 21:12:56 hopefully the gulli interview w/ me will be published soon, but I haven't heard from him in a week -2009 Feb 10 21:13:06 is i2p ready to ask for volunteer bandwidth from sponsors? (other than me with my tiny connection) -2009 Feb 10 21:13:39 hmm.. that might be worth a try -2009 Feb 10 21:13:50 I don't think anyone has ever said no to volunteered bandwidth. -2009 Feb 10 21:14:01 --> Roomster (romster@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:14:12 the tor network has a lot of sponsored nodes, but on the other hand a lot of nodes on the same subnet would be suspicious to users and offer someone more control over the network -2009 Feb 10 21:14:37 i think we "fixed" that already -2009 Feb 10 21:14:59 sponsoring would'nt be a bad idea -2009 Feb 10 21:14:59 jas a simple html tab on the mainpage? -2009 Feb 10 21:14:59 just* -2009 Feb 10 21:15:05 randomly placed nodes by individual volunteers seems to be safer -2009 Feb 10 21:15:05 but not as practical -2009 Feb 10 21:15:15 most people by nature will leech -2009 Feb 10 21:15:26 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:15:44 I don't think that's necessarily true unixfr3ak, but it's good to prepare for non-participants. -2009 Feb 10 21:16:21 for example -2009 Feb 10 21:16:40 someone who just starts the i2p router, and has no idea what it does and runs i2phex -2009 Feb 10 21:16:49 constantly downloading -2009 Feb 10 21:17:11 mabye the defualt bandwith should be changed -2009 Feb 10 21:17:22 has been changed in 0.7 -2009 Feb 10 21:17:34 or users should be asked for connection speed during the install for more accurate bandwith shareing limits -2009 Feb 10 21:18:26 or mabye a virus that installs i2p as a backdoor :P -2009 Feb 10 21:18:34 heh -2009 Feb 10 21:18:40 would be a great idea.. the installer should support that, right? -2009 Feb 10 21:19:08 the first or the second? :> -2009 Feb 10 21:19:08 my joke or asking the connection bandwith? -2009 Feb 10 21:19:23 first) probably yes -2009 Feb 10 21:19:26 it should be a line or 2 in a config file somewhere -2009 Feb 10 21:19:39 the one without the :P -2009 Feb 10 21:20:59 download limits for users who don't share upstream bandwidth? -2009 Feb 10 21:21:15 sounds intresting -2009 Feb 10 21:21:20 but -2009 Feb 10 21:21:33 i dont think we should go to such desprate measures yet... -2009 Feb 10 21:21:38 by default it shares up to 100% of the bandwidth unixfr3ak. once it gets a few client tunnels, the majority is spent on intermediate ones. -2009 Feb 10 21:21:45 don't routers already punish other routers, who don't route tunnels? -2009 Feb 10 21:21:46 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:22:00 yes -2009 Feb 10 21:22:00 and I think i2p is already load balanced. I sure cannot download more than I upload on the bandwidth tab. -2009 Feb 10 21:22:25 i think so but, if many people leech at one time it will still put a hevy load on the network -2009 Feb 10 21:22:32 perhaps this is just a case of being more informative to first time users -2009 Feb 10 21:22:35 especially if thier ips are dynamic -2009 Feb 10 21:22:46 http://stats.i2p/cgi-bin/tot.cgi?a=bandwidthReceiveBps.5m&s=365&u=y -2009 Feb 10 21:22:56 make it clear that giving back to the network improves your experience -2009 Feb 10 21:23:07 yes -2009 Feb 10 21:23:18 and to run it when they are not using thier pc -2009 Feb 10 21:23:36 insted of just letting thier connection that they are paying for be idle -2009 Feb 10 21:23:51 most people turn their computers off, it's really sad -2009 Feb 10 21:24:09 yes -2009 Feb 10 21:24:12 paying their ISP per month, when they could instead for the price of 4 light bulbs... -2009 Feb 10 21:24:15 i think most people understand this - i even think most people who use i2p are geeks themself ;) -2009 Feb 10 21:24:32 anyway moving on - anything else to add for 1) I2P 0.7? -2009 Feb 10 21:24:55 for now yes -2009 Feb 10 21:25:16 -*- welterde waits for his signal.. -2009 Feb 10 21:25:20 but that may change in the future -2009 Feb 10 21:25:25 badger: no -2009 Feb 10 21:25:25 2) Syndie -2009 Feb 10 21:25:37 ok then :) -2009 Feb 10 21:25:37 -*- badger passes the 70s boom mike over to welterde -2009 Feb 10 21:25:45 *mic -2009 Feb 10 21:26:15 as you may (or may not) i recently finished the effort to apply these patches from MOSFET -2009 Feb 10 21:26:20 +know -2009 Feb 10 21:26:25 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:26:35 leave e out on the forums i don't use them :P , brb cigarette -2009 Feb 10 21:26:51 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:27:14 which should fix some bugs and disable that (imho) b0rked default ui -2009 Feb 10 21:27:26 instead the swt one is used, which most users find easier -2009 Feb 10 21:27:42 w0rd -2009 Feb 10 21:28:11 hmm? -2009 Feb 10 21:28:30 it's nice to hear someone was working on getting failed synchronizations to retry. -2009 Feb 10 21:28:40 welterde: sorry, old dev meeting joke -2009 Feb 10 21:28:59 is there a new public syndie archive somwhere? -2009 Feb 10 21:29:06 anyway.. i hope i have time soon to replace that b0rked ;) index thingy -2009 Feb 10 21:29:09 badger: yup -2009 Feb 10 21:29:25 http://syndie.welterde.(i2p|de)/ -2009 Feb 10 21:29:52 making it possible to run syndie using a remote database is important I'd say, to make it easier for people to run their own archives. -2009 Feb 10 21:29:54 but you can't post there (yet) as it is just a static archive -2009 Feb 10 21:30:47 have to that one to the default ones too -2009 Feb 10 21:30:56 will do that soonish -2009 Feb 10 21:31:16 so syndie work goes on -2009 Feb 10 21:31:32 yup -2009 Feb 10 21:31:54 currently trying to profile syndie.. -2009 Feb 10 21:32:20 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:32:29 but wasn't able to spend much time in that area though.. -2009 Feb 10 21:32:45 <-- hottuna_ (hottuna@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:32:59 so much work to do... -2009 Feb 10 21:33:14 yes :/ -2009 Feb 10 21:33:17 running syndie in text mode is tricky, since the interface seems to be slipping behind its current behavior -2009 Feb 10 21:33:17 usually it works if you just leave it in --cli, but when it freezes there's no real indication. -2009 Feb 10 21:33:36 --> hottuna_ (hottuna@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:33:41 yeah.. the cli is b0rked too currently :/ -2009 Feb 10 21:33:56 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:34:00 imho we should seperate syndie into multiple parts, eg. libsyndie, gui, cli, ... -2009 Feb 10 21:34:12 makes sense to me -2009 Feb 10 21:34:19 that should make writing custom extensions, etc. easier -2009 Feb 10 21:34:29 What sort of stuff would libsyndie cover? -2009 Feb 10 21:34:36 early v0.0.1 syndie's UI was just a top on the cli binary -2009 Feb 10 21:34:48 but it seems that idea got lost enroute -2009 Feb 10 21:34:55 it even has the text console today. -2009 Feb 10 21:35:23 dream: message decoding, archive syncing, etc. etc. -2009 Feb 10 21:35:25 <-- epoch (epoch@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Ping timeout) -2009 Feb 10 21:35:34 most of the logic -2009 Feb 10 21:36:06 so libsyndie is pretty much an interface over the database, and maybe the archive/ directory? -2009 Feb 10 21:36:09 aye, gui, cli and webtop should just be a light wrapper -2009 Feb 10 21:36:10 imho we should keep gui/cli seperate from the program logic -2009 Feb 10 21:36:42 dream: the archive isn't used to store anything.. it's just used for serving the archive -2009 Feb 10 21:37:02 I know that. -2009 Feb 10 21:37:12 --> epoch (epoch@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:37:14 but as cli/webtop use it we should put it into the libsyndie as well -2009 Feb 10 21:37:15 -=- Modus #i2p [+v epoch] durch chanserv -2009 Feb 10 21:37:15 So I guess only the web server would need to deal with that directory. -2009 Feb 10 21:37:35 filling it and synching from it, sort of like a postfix mail queue. -2009 Feb 10 21:38:00 but we should only generate/sync it, when we are actually using it.. not like now.. -2009 Feb 10 21:38:08 where it is always generated/synced... -2009 Feb 10 21:38:24 <-- altGuest (chatzilla@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:39:18 I don't see a problem with only using the archive/ directory for the webserver. It's really just a convenience so you can use existing static file serving functionality. -2009 Feb 10 21:40:07 there should be a cli command like generate_archive or something like that imho -2009 Feb 10 21:40:13 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:40:57 and we should bring that import.cgi back, so we can run a mostly static archive, while still being able to post -2009 Feb 10 21:41:04 or... hmmm... -2009 Feb 10 21:41:04 what would you do with that archive using the client interface? -2009 Feb 10 21:41:15 rsync with a remote site? -2009 Feb 10 21:41:26 that's how syndie.welterde.(i2p|de) works ;) -2009 Feb 10 21:41:31 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:41:43 trouble with a static archive is that keeping the filesystem up to date with the database is a task that is similar to designing a database. -2009 Feb 10 21:41:59 hmm.. not really -2009 Feb 10 21:42:05 as it's one-way only -2009 Feb 10 21:43:17 this may be a little off-topic but has anyone considered a datastore function? -2009 Feb 10 21:43:20 so using a hypothetical --cli someone creates a message. They then generate_archive after creating it? Sounds suspiciously similar to commiting a transaction after inserting. -2009 Feb 10 21:43:52 also in i2phex as i told Complication previously the bitzi lookup in i2phex inst anonymous -2009 Feb 10 21:43:55 magicbutton() -2009 Feb 10 21:44:04 dream: uhm.. no -2009 Feb 10 21:44:17 ...i2phex checks bitzi.com? that's nuts -2009 Feb 10 21:44:37 yes -2009 Feb 10 21:44:39 unixfr3ak: there was some work in direction of freenet afair -2009 Feb 10 21:44:43 welterde, so then their message never goes into the archive/ directory and can't get synchronized... -2009 Feb 10 21:45:20 dream: no.. just mean that a transaction is a bit different -2009 Feb 10 21:45:27 for example: you don't edit anything -2009 Feb 10 21:45:33 (except for the index maybe) -2009 Feb 10 21:46:02 --> altGuest (chatzilla@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:46:02 generate_archive just dumps the db and updates the indexes while doing that -2009 Feb 10 21:46:41 right click a file -2009 Feb 10 21:47:07 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:47:20 and view bitzi ticket takes you to the non-anon site -2009 Feb 10 21:47:20 lucky my browser is proxyd by i2p, and my alternate one tor -2009 Feb 10 21:47:31 so how do you get your new database content into the archive? What if syndie dies after inserting a message, but before you save it to the archive/ directory? -2009 Feb 10 21:47:39 0_0 looks like spongebob missed the meeting -2009 Feb 10 21:47:57 dream: nothing.. it's just not archive/ -2009 Feb 10 21:48:16 but it will be on the next successful run of generate_archive -2009 Feb 10 21:48:33 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:49:01 what I'd do is let the client run the web server, and the web server checks archive/ and pulls out all the messages in the db not already there. Or just serve the db messages directly. -2009 Feb 10 21:49:23 generate_archive doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd want the client to have to keep track of. -2009 Feb 10 21:49:50 problem is.. you can't run syndie on every machine -2009 Feb 10 21:50:18 for example this server (i2p2.de/welterde.de) has reached it's limited -2009 Feb 10 21:50:36 it will heavily swap when i run syndie on it.. -2009 Feb 10 21:50:41 so i have to run it locally -2009 Feb 10 21:50:46 yeah -2009 Feb 10 21:51:06 no problem if i had reasonable upload... which i don't have -2009 Feb 10 21:51:19 which most adsl-users don't have.. -2009 Feb 10 21:51:45 anyway - good work with the all the patches welterde - can we expect a release in the not-too-distant-future? -2009 Feb 10 21:51:47 so it's either a static archive or one that is slow as hell -2009 Feb 10 21:52:08 badger: i think i'll switch from a to b (alpha to beta) soonish -2009 Feb 10 21:52:16 great -2009 Feb 10 21:52:40 anything else to add about future dev? -2009 Feb 10 21:52:56 (syndie) -2009 Feb 10 21:53:10 n0pe -2009 Feb 10 21:53:19 ;) -2009 Feb 10 21:53:24 righty in that case -2009 Feb 10 21:53:30 3) Donations -2009 Feb 10 21:53:49 -*- badger swings the mic over to eche|on -2009 Feb 10 21:54:00 it's open again! -2009 Feb 10 21:54:18 I created a paypal account and linked it on i2p website -2009 Feb 10 21:54:39 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 21:54:42 :D -2009 Feb 10 21:54:47 coolio -2009 Feb 10 21:54:50 wicked -2009 Feb 10 21:54:52 but the buttons links to https:// sites of paypal, works not for eepsite yet -2009 Feb 10 21:55:01 yeah I guess that's an advantage welterde -2009 Feb 10 21:55:08 til yet no entry on that front -2009 Feb 10 21:55:20 <-- awxcnx091 (ce518902@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Quit: leaving) -2009 Feb 10 21:55:20 eche|on: maybe you should add some notes on how to tell you what you should do with it -2009 Feb 10 21:55:29 and undecided about a acc for 2ndlive -2009 Feb 10 21:55:31 can you add a link from the donate page to the halloffame page, and/or provide more info on what donations will be used for -2009 Feb 10 21:55:39 I still think whatever creates the archive should synchronize more than just dump. -2009 Feb 10 21:55:48 yup -2009 Feb 10 21:56:02 are you planning to support bounties too? -2009 Feb 10 21:56:10 welterde: acked -2009 Feb 10 21:56:13 you could just use apache -2009 Feb 10 21:56:17 dream: premature optimization ;) -2009 Feb 10 21:56:19 zzz: acked -2009 Feb 10 21:56:22 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 21:56:24 oops 3) -2009 Feb 10 21:56:24 I don't have any money sorry T_T -2009 Feb 10 21:56:28 we need a list of stuff to buy/not to buy with donations -2009 Feb 10 21:56:37 and shouldnt echelon and welterde subscriptions really be listed as expenses instead? -2009 Feb 10 21:56:40 what web server does i2p include? -2009 Feb 10 21:56:51 badger: yeah, donations are "for all funds" or dedicated for a bounty -2009 Feb 10 21:57:04 grand -2009 Feb 10 21:57:19 and in paypal there should be a textfield in which you can enter the goal of the money :-) -2009 Feb 10 21:57:33 you could also put a news link on the front page that donations are open -2009 Feb 10 21:57:36 If I donate 1000 EUR do I get a Hot Tuna i2P t-shirt? -2009 Feb 10 21:57:51 but I cannot donate to myself ;-) -2009 Feb 10 21:58:02 hottuna_: say yes! ;) -2009 Feb 10 21:58:16 no prob so far, I wait for the first one and announce it ;-) -2009 Feb 10 21:58:35 you had your chance to come to 25c3 and get a shirt -2009 Feb 10 21:58:47 there is still a 26c3 ;) -2009 Feb 10 21:58:59 acked, zzz - nice idea -2009 Feb 10 22:00:32 so no more from my site to topic donations -2009 Feb 10 22:00:51 -*- welterde waits for paste to load.. -2009 Feb 10 22:00:59 --> awxcnx091 (ce518902@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 22:01:16 in that case: -2009 Feb 10 22:01:22 4) ???? -2009 Feb 10 22:01:33 anyone else have anything to bring to the meeting? -2009 Feb 10 22:01:37 yup.. -2009 Feb 10 22:01:46 but you have to wait until paste loads :/ -2009 Feb 10 22:01:49 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 22:01:52 lets have a piece of cake for everyone! -2009 Feb 10 22:02:31 yay! :) -2009 Feb 10 22:02:32 -*- unixfr3ak takes it and runs -2009 Feb 10 22:02:38 nooooo -2009 Feb 10 22:03:03 -*- badger *bafs* unifr3ak on the head -2009 Feb 10 22:03:08 yessss -2009 Feb 10 22:03:12 ;-) -2009 Feb 10 22:03:20 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 22:03:46 i wonder if that part will go in the meting log -2009 Feb 10 22:03:50 :P -2009 Feb 10 22:03:57 I hereby announce *drum roll* thmoo: inbljam6y6mynwz2474hk655w2jtv7trofxbqzng4re26ga6rg4a.b32.i2p -2009 Feb 10 22:03:58 ;) -2009 Feb 10 22:04:04 unixfr3ak: of course it will! -2009 Feb 10 22:04:15 everyone get a telnet client and connect ;) -2009 Feb 10 22:04:37 not a MUD?! -2009 Feb 10 22:04:40 the base 32 key? -2009 Feb 10 22:04:49 badger: of course! -2009 Feb 10 22:05:06 unixfr3ak: you have to open a client tunnel and connect to that with a telnet/mud client -2009 Feb 10 22:05:08 (or use socks) -2009 Feb 10 22:05:38 i dont want to get my socks dirty ill make a tunnel :p -2009 Feb 10 22:05:43 hmm -2009 Feb 10 22:05:47 but for destination -2009 Feb 10 22:05:50 muddy socks -2009 Feb 10 22:05:59 does that include the .i2p ? -2009 Feb 10 22:06:05 unixfr3ak: yup -2009 Feb 10 22:06:11 worked for me at least ;) -2009 Feb 10 22:06:56 you can also look up the dest of a b32 if you want a local copy. zzz showed me how using i2ptunnel's secret cli interface. -2009 Feb 10 22:07:13 Delay Connect: (for request/response connections) -2009 Feb 10 22:07:18 i take it yes for that -2009 Feb 10 22:07:21 that reminds me I should get these room descriptions off paper and into the darn thing -2009 Feb 10 22:07:24 welterde: maybe post a short howto somewhere ;-) -2009 Feb 10 22:07:35 dream: yay :) -2009 Feb 10 22:07:46 badger: heh.. will do -2009 Feb 10 22:07:58 Trying 127.0.0.1... -2009 Feb 10 22:07:58 Connected to localhost. -2009 Feb 10 22:07:58 Escape character is '^]'. -2009 Feb 10 22:08:02 impressive :P -2009 Feb 10 22:08:02 http://paste.i2p2.i2p/show/11/ <- the b64 -2009 Feb 10 22:08:08 one comment about i2p in general: -2009 Feb 10 22:08:08 i think it is too much "from geeks for geeks" - you need to know what non-geek users need and want -2009 Feb 10 22:08:16 wonder whats on the other side of the tunnel -2009 Feb 10 22:08:20 unixfr3ak, if you're extra paranoid yes, otherwise timing attacks may be possible to test if you're online or not. :> -2009 Feb 10 22:08:21 l00kns33: they want games! :D -2009 Feb 10 22:08:46 l00kns33, what could be less geeky than a text based online adventure game! -2009 Feb 10 22:08:49 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 22:09:01 unixfr3ak: works? you should see a menu of some kind -2009 Feb 10 22:09:02 I put on my robe and wizard hat! -2009 Feb 10 22:09:17 <-- epoch (epoch@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 22:09:19 of coarse -2009 Feb 10 22:09:28 that's one thing - and a good idea :) -2009 Feb 10 22:09:31 Welcome to thmoo-cmd 2.1... -2009 Feb 10 22:09:38 ha :) -2009 Feb 10 22:09:46 --> epoch (epoch@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 22:09:46 -=- Modus #i2p [+v epoch] durch chanserv -2009 Feb 10 22:09:47 you then need to type connect guest afair -2009 Feb 10 22:09:52 whats so impressive about telnet over i2p? -2009 Feb 10 22:10:30 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 22:10:30 we'll have a connect client soon so you won't need to set up a tunnel -2009 Feb 10 22:10:46 cool :) -2009 Feb 10 22:10:50 unixfr3ak: nothing? -2009 Feb 10 22:11:20 -*- welterde writes up a howto.. -2009 Feb 10 22:11:26 has a weird chat feature :P -2009 Feb 10 22:11:45 well on that note - anything else anyone wants to add? -2009 Feb 10 22:11:46 unixfr3ak: you have to "say something" -2009 Feb 10 22:11:50 I wonder how that would work zzz? You mean like a VPN? -2009 Feb 10 22:12:01 dream: more like socks i think -2009 Feb 10 22:12:05 Or a specially designed telnet client? ._. -2009 Feb 10 22:12:19 Oh well I did hear about SOCKs. -2009 Feb 10 22:12:29 foo siad hi -2009 Feb 10 22:12:31 more like socks -2009 Feb 10 22:12:39 telnet localhost 1234 -2009 Feb 10 22:13:00 connect inbljam6y6mynwz2474hk655w2jtv7trofxbqzng4re26ga6rg4a.b32.i2p -2009 Feb 10 22:13:00 unixfr3ak: and to answer you to "say something" ;) -2009 Feb 10 22:13:06 thats it -2009 Feb 10 22:13:15 socks is tricky, since it's like i2ptunnel except just about anyone can make new tunnels to different places. -2009 Feb 10 22:13:37 yes i know...no need to point out the painfully obvious -2009 Feb 10 22:13:50 dream: no.. i just uses the shared one -2009 Feb 10 22:14:06 at least.. that's how it should work ;) -2009 Feb 10 22:14:34 afk for a bit -2009 Feb 10 22:14:36 well I think we've reached a good point to... -2009 Feb 10 22:14:44 -*- badger winds up -2009 Feb 10 22:14:54 -*- badger *baf*s the meeting closed -2009 Feb 10 22:15:10 :-) -2009 Feb 10 22:15:13 good job everyone -2009 Feb 10 22:15:57 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) -2009 Feb 10 22:16:12 you can't make a server tunnel with the SOCKS thing? hmm... -2009 Feb 10 22:16:34 I guess that would be a pretty nice thing for non HTTP protocols. :) -2009 Feb 10 22:16:49 Either that or implementing CONNECT in the eeproxy. -2009 Feb 10 22:16:52 now you guys are going to dissapear again lol -2009 Feb 10 22:17:30 --> gloin (gloin@irc2p) ist in den Channel #i2p gekommen -2009 Feb 10 22:18:38 poofda -2009 Feb 10 22:19:40 I'm still here -2009 Feb 10 22:19:49 our socks is client-only now -2009 Feb 10 22:20:51 I have CONNECT implemented, that's what I was talking about above -2009 Feb 10 22:23:20 Neat I can't think of any reason why not to do that, and it'd be lots more convenient since SOCKS is so goddamn popular many apps come with it. -2009 Feb 10 22:23:30 <-- gloin (gloin@irc2p) hat das IRC verlassen (Connection reset by peer) +20:58:32 dev meeting eh? +20:59:27 -*- dream turns on devo +21:00:25 dream: ah.. glad you're here too :) +21:00:51 0) Hello +21:00:55 you are? +21:00:58 1) I2P 0.7 +21:01:02 2) Syndie +21:01:06 3) Donations +21:01:15 4) ???? +21:01:21 5) A short poem recital by zzz +21:01:39 0) Hello +21:01:53 hi +21:02:00 welcome all to the #207th dev meeting +21:02:05 'lo +21:02:20 'lo! +21:02:40 welcome! +21:02:43 so, let's start by covering what's happened since April 10 2007, if anything +21:02:48 Just to put that in perspective it's been nearly 2 years since hte last one +21:03:06 well... bush is out....obama in.... +21:03:36 lol USA +21:03:51 1) I2P 0.7 +21:03:56 I guess the 0.7 release note is a good idea what happend to I2P +21:04:20 Well it looks like the rollout of 0.7 has gone fairly smoothly +21:04:22 with about 84% network coverage now +21:04:29 not bad +21:04:48 :-) +21:04:48 How much ahs the network grown since 0.7? +21:04:48 A big cheer to the dev team and release crew for getting it out of the door +21:04:52 one bug i may point out that i and another user have noticed though is +21:04:52 or even since Christmas? +21:05:21 -*- welt waits for stats.i2p to load.. +21:05:28 -=- Sie sind nun als welterde bekannt +21:05:31 hottuna_: a fairly slow but steady growth if the stats are anything to go by +21:05:41 adding new private hosts in susidns requirs manual editing of the privathosts.txt file +21:06:08 zzz: wasn't that the bug you fixed recently? +21:06:18 or was that sth different? +21:06:25 the stats shows a steady slow growing +21:06:35 yeah, i broke it in 0.7, just fixed it yesterday, will be in -4 +21:06:40 welterde: yes, he seens to have fixed it +21:07:05 something to look forward to in 7.0.1 +21:07:14 zzz: good.. that's done then +21:07:16 eerm 0.7.1 +21:07:19 more users :-) +21:07:22 sorry about that +21:07:35 what are you guys going to do about network lag...its a growing problem it seems , on the weekends i2p seems overloaded +21:07:56 maybe some more streaming lib tweaks? +21:07:57 ethier i think more users is good +21:08:00 zzz: well you've fixed and improved enough stuff to be allowed the odd breakage :) +21:08:33 I've suggested motivating user to share by having some ratio indicator on the console +21:08:57 that sounds good +21:09:14 network load went big last month +21:09:17 freak, i'm looking at tweaking the capacity calculation in the peer profiles just a little, to react better when things get busy. +21:09:20 months, looks fairly well so far +21:09:51 zzz: wicked :) +21:09:55 this may be ambitious bout how about using a cron job in linux or whatever windows uses to volunteer bandwidth to i2p when their computer is not being used +21:10:17 these things have to be adjusted with great care though, and it takes a full release cycle to test any change +21:10:21 a scheduler would be and awesome solution aswell +21:10:24 to dumb it down +21:10:28 The publicity push for release 0.7 seems to have had a marginal effect on numbers, but not nearly the impact I would have hoped for +21:10:41 detect when network / cpu is idle and use it/ dont use when it is +21:10:43 zzz: that recent addition to I2CP doesn't allow that yet, right? +21:10:52 some good coverage in german news sites though +21:11:04 but slashdot/digg/reddit was rather pathetic +21:11:09 allow what welterde ? +21:11:29 zzz: to change the ratio/up-bw/down-bw from outside the routerconsole +21:11:29 badger: it needs some time for users to get known to it and keep steady with it :-) +21:11:32 and a defult auto startup registry entry would be nice or a simple shell script for unix +21:12:04 no welterde it has nothing to do with that +21:12:08 dunno about the pr.. i suppose that our 'brand name' will grow every time we have a new release adn a pr wave to that +21:12:13 zzz: thought so :/ +21:12:56 hopefully the gulli interview w/ me will be published soon, but I haven't heard from him in a week +21:13:06 is i2p ready to ask for volunteer bandwidth from sponsors? (other than me with my tiny connection) +21:13:39 hmm.. that might be worth a try +21:13:50 I don't think anyone has ever said no to volunteered bandwidth. +21:14:12 the tor network has a lot of sponsored nodes, but on the other hand a lot of nodes on the same subnet would be suspicious to users and offer someone more control over the network +21:14:37 i think we "fixed" that already +21:14:59 sponsoring would'nt be a bad idea +21:14:59 jas a simple html tab on the mainpage? +21:14:59 just* +21:15:05 randomly placed nodes by individual volunteers seems to be safer +21:15:05 but not as practical +21:15:15 most people by nature will leech +21:15:44 I don't think that's necessarily true unixfr3ak, but it's good to prepare for non-participants. +21:16:21 for example +21:16:40 someone who just starts the i2p router, and has no idea what it does and runs i2phex +21:16:49 constantly downloading +21:17:11 mabye the defualt bandwith should be changed +21:17:22 has been changed in 0.7 +21:17:34 or users should be asked for connection speed during the install for more accurate bandwith shareing limits +21:18:26 or mabye a virus that installs i2p as a backdoor :P +21:18:34 heh +21:18:40 would be a great idea.. the installer should support that, right? +21:19:08 the first or the second? :> +21:19:08 my joke or asking the connection bandwith? +21:19:23 first) probably yes +21:19:26 it should be a line or 2 in a config file somewhere +21:19:39 the one without the :P +21:20:59 download limits for users who don't share upstream bandwidth? +21:21:15 sounds intresting +21:21:20 but +21:21:33 i dont think we should go to such desprate measures yet... +21:21:38 by default it shares up to 100% of the bandwidth unixfr3ak. once it gets a few client tunnels, the majority is spent on intermediate ones. +21:21:45 don't routers already punish other routers, who don't route tunnels? +21:22:00 yes +21:22:00 and I think i2p is already load balanced. I sure cannot download more than I upload on the bandwidth tab. +21:22:25 i think so but, if many people leech at one time it will still put a hevy load on the network +21:22:32 perhaps this is just a case of being more informative to first time users +21:22:35 especially if thier ips are dynamic +21:22:46 http://stats.i2p/cgi-bin/tot.cgi?a=bandwidthReceiveBps.5m&s=365&u=y +21:22:56 make it clear that giving back to the network improves your experience +21:23:07 yes +21:23:18 and to run it when they are not using thier pc +21:23:36 insted of just letting thier connection that they are paying for be idle +21:23:51 most people turn their computers off, it's really sad +21:24:09 yes +21:24:12 paying their ISP per month, when they could instead for the price of 4 light bulbs... +21:24:15 i think most people understand this - i even think most people who use i2p are geeks themself ;) +21:24:32 anyway moving on - anything else to add for 1) I2P 0.7? +21:24:55 for now yes +21:25:16 -*- welterde waits for his signal.. +21:25:20 but that may change in the future +21:25:25 badger: no +21:25:25 2) Syndie +21:25:37 ok then :) +21:25:37 -*- badger passes the 70s boom mike over to welterde +21:25:45 *mic +21:26:15 as you may (or may not) i recently finished the effort to apply these patches from MOSFET +21:26:20 +know +21:26:35 leave e out on the forums i don't use them :P , brb cigarette +21:27:14 which should fix some bugs and disable that (imho) b0rked default ui +21:27:26 instead the swt one is used, which most users find easier +21:27:42 w0rd +21:28:11 hmm? +21:28:30 it's nice to hear someone was working on getting failed synchronizations to retry. +21:28:40 welterde: sorry, old dev meeting joke +21:28:59 is there a new public syndie archive somwhere? +21:29:06 anyway.. i hope i have time soon to replace that b0rked ;) index thingy +21:29:09 badger: yup +21:29:25 http://syndie.welterde.(i2p|de)/ +21:29:52 making it possible to run syndie using a remote database is important I'd say, to make it easier for people to run their own archives. +21:29:54 but you can't post there (yet) as it is just a static archive +21:30:47 have to that one to the default ones too +21:30:56 will do that soonish +21:31:16 so syndie work goes on +21:31:32 yup +21:31:54 currently trying to profile syndie.. +21:32:29 but wasn't able to spend much time in that area though.. +21:32:59 so much work to do... +21:33:14 yes :/ +21:33:17 running syndie in text mode is tricky, since the interface seems to be slipping behind its current behavior +21:33:17 usually it works if you just leave it in --cli, but when it freezes there's no real indication. +21:33:41 yeah.. the cli is b0rked too currently :/ +21:34:00 imho we should seperate syndie into multiple parts, eg. libsyndie, gui, cli, ... +21:34:12 makes sense to me +21:34:19 that should make writing custom extensions, etc. easier +21:34:29 What sort of stuff would libsyndie cover? +21:34:36 early v0.0.1 syndie's UI was just a top on the cli binary +21:34:48 but it seems that idea got lost enroute +21:34:55 it even has the text console today. +21:35:23 dream: message decoding, archive syncing, etc. etc. +21:35:34 most of the logic +21:36:06 so libsyndie is pretty much an interface over the database, and maybe the archive/ directory? +21:36:09 aye, gui, cli and webtop should just be a light wrapper +21:36:10 imho we should keep gui/cli seperate from the program logic +21:36:42 dream: the archive isn't used to store anything.. it's just used for serving the archive +21:37:02 I know that. +21:37:14 but as cli/webtop use it we should put it into the libsyndie as well +21:37:15 So I guess only the web server would need to deal with that directory. +21:37:35 filling it and synching from it, sort of like a postfix mail queue. +21:38:00 but we should only generate/sync it, when we are actually using it.. not like now.. +21:38:08 where it is always generated/synced... +21:39:18 I don't see a problem with only using the archive/ directory for the webserver. It's really just a convenience so you can use existing static file serving functionality. +21:40:07 there should be a cli command like generate_archive or something like that imho +21:40:57 and we should bring that import.cgi back, so we can run a mostly static archive, while still being able to post +21:41:04 or... hmmm... +21:41:04 what would you do with that archive using the client interface? +21:41:15 rsync with a remote site? +21:41:26 that's how syndie.welterde.(i2p|de) works ;) +21:41:43 trouble with a static archive is that keeping the filesystem up to date with the database is a task that is similar to designing a database. +21:41:59 hmm.. not really +21:42:05 as it's one-way only +21:43:17 this may be a little off-topic but has anyone considered a datastore function? +21:43:20 so using a hypothetical --cli someone creates a message. They then generate_archive after creating it? Sounds suspiciously similar to commiting a transaction after inserting. +21:43:52 also in i2phex as i told Complication previously the bitzi lookup in i2phex inst anonymous +21:43:55 magicbutton() +21:44:04 dream: uhm.. no +21:44:17 ...i2phex checks bitzi.com? that's nuts +21:44:37 yes +21:44:39 unixfr3ak: there was some work in direction of freenet afair +21:44:43 welterde, so then their message never goes into the archive/ directory and can't get synchronized... +21:45:20 dream: no.. just mean that a transaction is a bit different +21:45:27 for example: you don't edit anything +21:45:33 (except for the index maybe) +21:46:02 generate_archive just dumps the db and updates the indexes while doing that +21:46:41 right click a file +21:47:20 and view bitzi ticket takes you to the non-anon site +21:47:20 lucky my browser is proxyd by i2p, and my alternate one tor +21:47:31 so how do you get your new database content into the archive? What if syndie dies after inserting a message, but before you save it to the archive/ directory? +21:47:39 0_0 looks like spongebob missed the meeting +21:47:57 dream: nothing.. it's just not archive/ +21:48:16 but it will be on the next successful run of generate_archive +21:49:01 what I'd do is let the client run the web server, and the web server checks archive/ and pulls out all the messages in the db not already there. Or just serve the db messages directly. +21:49:23 generate_archive doesn't seem like the sort of thing you'd want the client to have to keep track of. +21:49:50 problem is.. you can't run syndie on every machine +21:50:18 for example this server (i2p2.de/welterde.de) has reached it's limited +21:50:36 it will heavily swap when i run syndie on it.. +21:50:41 so i have to run it locally +21:50:46 yeah +21:51:06 no problem if i had reasonable upload... which i don't have +21:51:19 which most adsl-users don't have.. +21:51:45 anyway - good work with the all the patches welterde - can we expect a release in the not-too-distant-future? +21:51:47 so it's either a static archive or one that is slow as hell +21:52:08 badger: i think i'll switch from a to b (alpha to beta) soonish +21:52:16 great +21:52:40 anything else to add about future dev? +21:52:56 (syndie) +21:53:10 n0pe +21:53:19 ;) +21:53:24 righty in that case +21:53:30 3) Donations +21:53:49 -*- badger swings the mic over to eche|on +21:54:00 it's open again! +21:54:18 I created a paypal account and linked it on i2p website +21:54:42 :D +21:54:47 coolio +21:54:50 wicked +21:54:52 but the buttons links to https:// sites of paypal, works not for eepsite yet +21:55:01 yeah I guess that's an advantage welterde +21:55:08 til yet no entry on that front +21:55:20 eche|on: maybe you should add some notes on how to tell you what you should do with it +21:55:29 and undecided about a acc for 2ndlive +21:55:31 can you add a link from the donate page to the halloffame page, and/or provide more info on what donations will be used for +21:55:39 I still think whatever creates the archive should synchronize more than just dump. +21:55:48 yup +21:56:02 are you planning to support bounties too? +21:56:10 welterde: acked +21:56:13 you could just use apache +21:56:17 dream: premature optimization ;) +21:56:19 zzz: acked +21:56:24 oops 3) +21:56:24 I don't have any money sorry T_T +21:56:28 we need a list of stuff to buy/not to buy with donations +21:56:37 and shouldnt echelon and welterde subscriptions really be listed as expenses instead? +21:56:40 what web server does i2p include? +21:56:51 badger: yeah, donations are "for all funds" or dedicated for a bounty +21:57:04 grand +21:57:19 and in paypal there should be a textfield in which you can enter the goal of the money :-) +21:57:33 you could also put a news link on the front page that donations are open +21:57:36 If I donate 1000 EUR do I get a Hot Tuna i2P t-shirt? +21:57:51 but I cannot donate to myself ;-) +21:58:02 hottuna_: say yes! ;) +21:58:16 no prob so far, I wait for the first one and announce it ;-) +21:58:35 you had your chance to come to 25c3 and get a shirt +21:58:47 there is still a 26c3 ;) +21:58:59 acked, zzz - nice idea +22:00:32 so no more from my site to topic donations +22:00:51 -*- welterde waits for paste to load.. +22:01:16 in that case: +22:01:22 4) ???? +22:01:33 anyone else have anything to bring to the meeting? +22:01:37 yup.. +22:01:46 but you have to wait until paste loads :/ +22:01:52 lets have a piece of cake for everyone! +22:02:31 yay! :) +22:02:32 -*- unixfr3ak takes it and runs +22:02:38 nooooo +22:03:03 -*- badger *bafs* unifr3ak on the head +22:03:08 yessss +22:03:12 ;-) +22:03:46 i wonder if that part will go in the meting log +22:03:50 :P +22:03:57 I hereby announce *drum roll* thmoo: inbljam6y6mynwz2474hk655w2jtv7trofxbqzng4re26ga6rg4a.b32.i2p +22:03:58 ;) +22:04:04 unixfr3ak: of course it will! +22:04:15 everyone get a telnet client and connect ;) +22:04:37 not a MUD?! +22:04:40 the base 32 key? +22:04:49 badger: of course! +22:05:06 unixfr3ak: you have to open a client tunnel and connect to that with a telnet/mud client +22:05:08 (or use socks) +22:05:38 i dont want to get my socks dirty ill make a tunnel :p +22:05:43 hmm +22:05:47 but for destination +22:05:50 muddy socks +22:05:59 does that include the .i2p ? +22:06:05 unixfr3ak: yup +22:06:11 worked for me at least ;) +22:06:56 you can also look up the dest of a b32 if you want a local copy. zzz showed me how using i2ptunnel's secret cli interface. +22:07:13 Delay Connect: (for request/response connections) +22:07:18 i take it yes for that +22:07:21 that reminds me I should get these room descriptions off paper and into the darn thing +22:07:24 welterde: maybe post a short howto somewhere ;-) +22:07:35 dream: yay :) +22:07:46 badger: heh.. will do +22:07:58 Trying 127.0.0.1... +22:07:58 Connected to localhost. +22:07:58 Escape character is '^]'. +22:08:02 impressive :P +22:08:02 http://paste.i2p2.i2p/show/11/ <- the b64 +22:08:08 one comment about i2p in general: +22:08:08 i think it is too much "from geeks for geeks" - you need to know what non-geek users need and want +22:08:16 wonder whats on the other side of the tunnel +22:08:20 unixfr3ak, if you're extra paranoid yes, otherwise timing attacks may be possible to test if you're online or not. :> +22:08:21 l00kns33: they want games! :D +22:08:46 l00kns33, what could be less geeky than a text based online adventure game! +22:09:01 unixfr3ak: works? you should see a menu of some kind +22:09:02 I put on my robe and wizard hat! +22:09:19 of coarse +22:09:28 that's one thing - and a good idea :) +22:09:31 Welcome to thmoo-cmd 2.1... +22:09:38 ha :) +22:09:47 you then need to type connect guest afair +22:09:52 whats so impressive about telnet over i2p? +22:10:30 we'll have a connect client soon so you won't need to set up a tunnel +22:10:46 cool :) +22:10:50 unixfr3ak: nothing? +22:11:20 -*- welterde writes up a howto.. +22:11:26 has a weird chat feature :P +22:11:45 well on that note - anything else anyone wants to add? +22:11:46 unixfr3ak: you have to "say something" +22:11:50 I wonder how that would work zzz? You mean like a VPN? +22:12:01 dream: more like socks i think +22:12:05 Or a specially designed telnet client? ._. +22:12:19 Oh well I did hear about SOCKs. +22:12:29 foo siad hi +22:12:31 more like socks +22:12:39 telnet localhost 1234 +22:13:00 connect inbljam6y6mynwz2474hk655w2jtv7trofxbqzng4re26ga6rg4a.b32.i2p +22:13:00 unixfr3ak: and to answer you to "say something" ;) +22:13:06 thats it +22:13:15 socks is tricky, since it's like i2ptunnel except just about anyone can make new tunnels to different places. +22:13:37 yes i know...no need to point out the painfully obvious +22:13:50 dream: no.. i just uses the shared one +22:14:06 at least.. that's how it should work ;) +22:14:34 afk for a bit +22:14:36 well I think we've reached a good point to... +22:14:44 -*- badger winds up +22:14:54 -*- badger *baf*s the meeting closed +22:15:10 :-) +22:15:13 good job everyone +22:16:12 you can't make a server tunnel with the SOCKS thing? hmm... +22:16:34 I guess that would be a pretty nice thing for non HTTP protocols. :) +22:16:49 Either that or implementing CONNECT in the eeproxy. +22:16:52 now you guys are going to dissapear again lol +22:18:38 poofda +22:19:40 I'm still here +22:19:49 our socks is client-only now +22:20:51 I have CONNECT implemented, that's what I was talking about above +22:23:20 Neat I can't think of any reason why not to do that, and it'd be lots more convenient since SOCKS is so goddamn popular many apps come with it.