--- Log opened Tue Nov 19 23:51:34 2002 23:52 < logger> test 23:52 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o mids] by Trent 23:52 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+v logger] by mids 23:53 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+oo nop UserX] by mids 23:57 <@mids> public IIP meeting in channel #iip-dev starting in 2.5 minutes 23:57 < nemesis> lol 23:57 < zic> anybody from Ukrain? message me! hehehe 23:58 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o hezekiah] by mids 23:58 <@hezekiah> Hello again, mids! 23:58 < Robert> Hey Nemesis, have you seen http://www.bash.org/?top 23:58 * athena sees hezekiah in a whole new light :p 23:58 < nemesis> bash? 23:58 <@mids> Robert: they are down 23:58 <@mids> what! 23:58 <@mids> they are back! --- Day changed Wed Nov 20 2002 00:00 <@mids> Tue Nov 19 23:00:00 UTC 2002 00:00 <@nop> welcome 00:00 <@nop> welcome 00:00 <@nop> to the 20th? 00:00 <@nop> IIP meeting 00:00 <@hezekiah> 20th! 00:00 <@mids> yes 00:00 <@nop> yes on the agenda today... 00:01 <@nop> mids... 00:01 <@mids> 1) welcome 00:02 <@mids> 2) getting rc3 out 00:02 <@mids> 3) sneak preview on rc3 00:02 <@mids> 4) snacks and drinks 00:02 <@mids> 5) questions 00:02 <@mids> . 00:02 <@nop> thnx 00:02 <@nop> ok 00:02 <@nop> so we are having rc3 officially released thursday 00:02 <@nop> please mark that in your calendars 00:02 <@mids> we hope :) 00:02 <@mids> (unless sourceforge is down again) 00:03 <@nop> right, did they fix the ro on nfs? 00:03 <@mids> yes 00:03 <@nop> was it their mistake? 00:03 < tarpY> i am here for the food 00:03 <@mids> it was announced on their status page btw 00:03 <@nop> ok 00:03 <@mids> maintenance 00:03 <@nop> gotcha 00:03 <@nop> probably doing backups 00:03 < tarpY> i wanted to order pizza off of the freenet and i found out they wont 00:03 <@nop> :) 00:03 < tarpY> where can i get food here 00:03 <@mids> tarpY: #muchnies-to-take-away 00:04 <@nop> ok 00:04 <@mids> what will be new in rc3: 00:04 <@nop> so Thursday we will get that out 00:04 <@nop> oh 00:04 <@nop> Mids, I believe you have the changelog handy 00:04 <@nop> if not 00:04 <@mids> me too 00:04 <@nop> I'll display 00:04 <@nop> ok 00:04 < sinster> will rc3 have a decent install script for *nix? 00:04 <@mids> - Display of version number for windows (menu option) and unix (command line). 00:04 <@mids> - Random number generation fix. 00:04 <@mids> - IIP network connections are no longer paused while in the setup screen. 00:04 <@mids> - Now exits if it can't bind to a socket at startup. 00:04 <@mids> Windows now displays a message box informing that it can't bind to port. 00:04 <@mids> - Several bugfixes and one memory leak fixed. 00:04 <@mids> . 00:04 <@mids> sinster: no, that is what hezekiah is working on 00:05 <@mids> that will be 1.2 00:05 <@hezekiah> Not quite ... 00:05 <@nop> ok 00:05 < zic> are there plans for translating the (nice) faq @ help.invisiblenet.net ? 00:05 <@nop> anyone who wants to translate 00:05 <@nop> please do 00:05 < sinster> mids/hezekiah: will it add iip to /etc/rc.d/ so that it starts automatically? just a suggestion 00:05 <@nop> we would very much appreciate it 00:05 <@nop> and have it on the site 00:05 < zic> will rc3 demand any mod in the FAQ? 00:06 <@mids> sinster: I got a script here... but that needs more testing 00:06 <@mids> sinster: maybe we'll add that with 1.1 final 00:06 <@hezekiah> sinster: that would not be distribution compatible, since different distros put startup stuff in different places. 00:06 <@mids> zic: no 00:06 < sinster> mids: yeah, make sure you test it on the major linux flavors, redhat, debian etc 00:06 <@nop> well, can we wait on quesitons 00:06 <@nop> please 00:06 < zic> my isproxy is scripted in /etc/init.d (debian), works perfectly 00:06 <@mids> oops 00:06 <@nop> till the questions and answers 00:06 < zic> sorry! 00:06 < zic> sorry! 00:06 <@hezekiah> Sorry. 00:06 <@nop> it gets confusing 00:06 <@nop> ;) 00:06 <@nop> sorry 00:06 < sinster> nop: ok 00:06 < tarpY> no translating everyone should speak english. 00:07 < sinster> nop: my bad 00:07 <@nop> no prob 00:07 <@mids> any questions on the changelog? 00:07 <@mids> no? 00:07 <@mids> nop: sneak preview? 00:07 <@nop> hold my relay just bit the dust 00:08 <@nop> wait till everyone comes back 00:08 <@mids> auch 00:08 <@nop> delay can be annoying in a meeting 00:08 <@nop> ;) 00:08 <@nop> everyone still here? 00:08 <@mids> seems like it 00:09 <@hezekiah> I didn't see anyone leave. 00:09 <@nop> ok 00:09 < zic> i am (does i matter? hehe) 00:09 <@nop> well there is a delay feature we have 00:09 <@nop> ;) 00:09 <@nop> ok 00:09 < al-jabr> I didn't either. 00:09 <@nop> guess my relay got kicked off the list for unreliability 00:09 <@nop> haha 00:09 <@mids> hehe 00:09 * Robert joins #muchnies-to-take-away while he waits... 00:09 <@mids> there we go 00:09 <@nop> yep 00:10 <@nop> there's another 00:10 <@nop> ;) 00:10 < al-jabr> there goes five. 00:10 <@hezekiah> We really need to do something about that. :( 00:10 < nemesis> erm 00:10 < nemesis> mids 00:10 <@nop> hezekiah: spread spectrum routing 00:11 < tc> is this glitches in the relay system? 00:11 <@nop> ;) 00:11 <@nop> my windows relay box crashed 00:11 <@nop> typical 00:11 < nemesis> for win2k / xp, thers in the future a build without gui 00:11 <@hezekiah> lol 00:11 < nemesis> or only gui to setup 00:11 < nemesis> and the rest as an daemon? 00:11 <@nop> it would be nice to have it as a service 00:11 <@nop> ;) 00:12 < nemesis> yes 00:12 < nemesis> ;) 00:12 <@nop> there is a program out there called service installer 00:13 <@nop> ok 00:13 <@nop> well 00:13 < nemesis> iip.exe --install 00:13 <@nop> no more delays 00:13 < nemesis> like apache for win 00:13 <@mids> is everybody already back? 00:14 <@nop> ok 00:15 <@nop> welcome baci 00:15 <@nop> back 00:15 < nemesis> matrix's neo? ;) 00:15 <@nop> ok 00:15 <@nop> I think they are back 00:16 <@mids> yes 00:16 <@nop> ok 00:16 <@nop> sneak preview 00:16 <@mids> I made a FLT-iip.1.1-rc3-pre1-mids-sneak-preview-screaner.tgz 00:16 <@mids> everybody with unix can test it 00:16 <@mids> no windows version yet 00:16 <@nop> I can make one right now 00:16 <@nop> if you want 00:16 < zic> lol 00:16 <@mids> http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/iip-1.1-rc3-mids1.tgz 00:16 < nemesis> thats ok 00:16 < nemesis> i wait 00:16 < zic> OGG or LAME audio? 00:17 <@mids> I am especially looking forward to reports on obscure unix versions 00:17 <@mids> like netbsd etc 00:17 < nemesis> i think, its not so important when a unix machine crash with 30 days uptime 00:17 <@mids> and macosx 00:17 < nemesis> as an windows machine with 3 days uptime ;) 00:17 < tc> mids: is this change just in the isproxy or in any other relay stuff also? 00:17 <@nop> no 00:17 <@nop> you keep your settings 00:17 <@nop> did we test that it can install over the previous one 00:17 <@nop> hmm 00:18 <@nop> make a note 00:18 < zic> nemesis: but it would be cool if it never crashed. but let's kill the talking here. we are in a formal meeting 00:18 < nemesis> hehe 00:18 <@nop> ok 00:18 <@nop> if anyone wants to test if the upgrade process is trivial 00:18 < nemesis> don't test it on meeting days ;) 00:18 <@nop> then please go ahead 00:18 <@nop> and email or notify one of the devs of the results 00:18 <@mids> please test it next to your current relay 00:18 <@mids> and yes, please give feedback 00:19 <@mids> on what went wrong 00:19 <@mids> etc 00:19 <@nop> wb tarpY 00:19 <@nop> let's put that screener in the topic 00:19 < goc> is it possible to run isproxy-rc2 and isproxy-almost-rc3 simultaneously? 00:19 <@nop> yes 00:20 <@nop> different port settings 00:20 <@nop> and it's not hard at all 00:20 < goc> where's the conf file stored? 00:20 <@nop> but rc3 should be able to go over rc2 00:20 <@nop> you might have to do a -f /dir 00:20 <@nop> or you may have it go over the rc2 install 00:21 < tarpY> are you going to eventually remove the proxy and integrate it into a client? 00:21 <@nop> probably not 00:21 <@nop> the idea is transparent applications 00:21 <@nop> it's a transport medium 00:21 <@nop> and we'll remove the server 00:21 <@nop> and integrate it into the proxy yes 00:22 <@nop> mids, can we have your link on the topic 00:22 <@nop> for the preview 00:22 -!- mids changed the topic of #iip-dev to: IIP meeting | logs: http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/ | sneak rc3 preview for unix http://mids.student.utwente.nl/~mids/iip/iip-1.1-rc3-mids1.tgz | please give feedback 00:23 <@nop> ok 00:23 < zic> compiling 00:23 <@nop> so that's the rc3 unix preview 00:23 <@nop> next on agenda 00:23 <@nop> I think it's food and drinks 00:23 <@mids> snacks and drinks 00:23 < zic> i want pizza 00:24 * mids gives a Quattro-Strationi to zic 00:24 < zic> it's stinking :-/ 00:24 < zic> what did you put on that? 00:24 <@mids> ok 00:24 <@mids> questions? 00:24 < zic> i have 00:24 < tc> zic: dead fish 00:24 < zic> tc ehhe 00:25 < tc> does this just change the proxy? 00:25 < zic> i propose a translation project... 00:25 <@nop> also 00:25 <@nop> we need a doc writer 00:25 <@nop> for technical documentation 00:25 <@nop> updates 00:25 <@mids> volunteers? 00:26 < zic> i would be, but my english is bad hehe 00:26 < zic> i prefer translating things 00:26 <@nop> translation: any volunteer 00:26 * zic ! 00:26 <@nop> what languages? 00:26 * zic -=> portuguese only 00:27 <@nop> ok 00:27 <@nop> any other volunteers for specific languages 00:27 < Fairwitness> English :) 00:27 < nemesis> english and german ;) 00:28 <@nop> English, is done, unfortunately it's the primary language 00:28 <@nop> FW are you planning to assist with tech docs then 00:28 <@nop> ? 00:28 < Fairwitness> sure, if you want help. I like to write... 00:28 < zic> i would like to help with something else, but i dont know what i need, and i am a mediocre coder 00:28 < zic> s/i/you 00:29 < Fairwitness> ...and I can't code for shit... 00:29 <@nop> zic translation is great 00:29 < zic> i can make debian packages 00:29 <@nop> that's definitely a plus 00:29 < zic> but this is not good for RC 00:29 <@nop> correct 00:29 < zic> but i can test it 00:29 <@nop> but debian wants to include IIP as a package when stable 00:30 < zic> is there anybody doing this? 00:30 <@mids> I got to sleep now 00:30 <@mids> ... 00:30 <@mids> bye all 00:30 <@nop> ok 00:30 <@hezekiah> Bye! 00:30 < Fairwitness> bye mids 00:30 < zic> bye mids 00:30 <@nop> ok so FW 00:30 <@nop> can you assist with docs 00:30 < tc> bye 00:30 < Neo> nightz 00:30 < Fairwitness> sure, what do you need done? 00:30 <@nop> I have to upgrade the docs on encryption 00:30 <@nop> and we're going to need docs for 1.2 00:31 <@nop> soon 00:31 <@nop> and full regular docs for 1.1 stable that have been reviewed 00:31 <@nop> and are considered good for general audience 00:31 < Fairwitness> define "general". 00:31 < nemesis> ;) 00:32 <@nop> well, when stable is released 00:32 <@nop> we'd like a good docs to accompany 00:32 < nemesis> that i understand this ;) 00:32 < Fairwitness> general public or general crypto techno fetish geek 00:32 < Fairwitness> :) 00:32 <@nop> a little in between 00:32 < nemesis> hrhr 00:32 < nemesis> make some nice pictures 00:32 <@nop> enough to be in the middle and answers questions for all users 00:32 < nemesis> and say this is the securest irc network 00:32 < nemesis> like m$ 00:32 < nemesis> this winxp is the stablest windows 00:33 < nemesis> ;) 00:33 < zic> "anoymousest" 00:33 <@nop> haha 00:33 < Fairwitness> Well if you give me the docs you have I can go through them and review and edit them for a general release. 00:33 < zic> what about wiki documentation? 00:33 <@nop> do you know how to make .chm file in windows 00:34 < Fairwitness> In my RL I have got quite good an writing software docs that are understandable by "generl" folks as well as non english speakers. 00:34 < nemesis> xml to chm? 00:34 < nemesis> ;) 00:34 < nemesis> or latex to chm 00:34 <@nop> .chm is like the help doc in win32 00:35 <@nop> we can discuss that later 00:35 <@nop> ok 00:35 <@nop> http://www.invisiblenet.net/iip/docsMain.php 00:35 < nemesis> i know.. k later.. 00:36 <@nop> ok 00:36 <@nop> any other questions? 00:36 < zic> what is the future of mankind? 00:37 < Fairwitness> are there any caffinated beverages here? 00:37 < Fairwitness> if not, why not! 00:37 <@nop> haha 00:37 < tc> zic: wonderous .. if we can survive assholes 00:37 < Fairwitness> I demand intra venus V as my price for editing docs !! 00:37 < Fairwitness> :) 00:38 < Fairwitness> Hi Neo 00:38 <@nop> ok 00:38 <@nop> meeting officially ended 00:38 < Fairwitness> but, my V!! 00:38 < zic> hahaha 00:39 * Fairwitness slumps in the chair. 00:40 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o Chocolate] by Trent 00:40 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+n] by Chocolate 00:40 <@Chocolate> damn I alwasy miss them :( 00:40 < nemesis> hrhr 00:40 < nemesis> Chocolate: ;) 00:44 < zic> nictuku:/home/yves/freenet# [2002/11/19-23:41:02]:Socket(5), Error (98):Failed to bind listening socket. 00:44 < zic> [2002/11/19-23:41:02]:sockListen: bind failed: host(127.0.0.1), port(6667)Failed to bind listening socket. 00:45 < zic> it should say it exited 00:45 <@hezekiah> If you do a "ps -e | grep isproxy" you shouldn't see it on the list. 00:45 < zic> i know 00:45 <@hezekiah> However, that is a good idea. 00:45 < zic> but it should printf that 00:47 < sanity> are you talking about how to kill isproxy? 00:47 <@hezekiah> No. What isproxy should do when it doesn't load. 00:52 < zic> is iip already meant to be popular? 00:52 < nemesis> i don't know 00:52 < nemesis> it's like 00:53 < nemesis> cryptomail 00:53 < zic> i bet it isnt in freshmeat and tucows, for example.. is it? it could 00:53 < nemesis> when there are no way to share files with more than under 1kbyte/sec then i don't have a good look at the future 00:54 < zic> but iip is not about sharing files.. 00:55 < nemesis> thats true 00:55 < nemesis> but what can i do with an chating plattform 00:55 < nemesis> when i can't send the other people the newest own mp3 mix? 00:56 < zic> chat! 00:56 < nemesis> theres to many options what you can do with files 00:56 < nemesis> when it's only a chatlog 00:56 < zic> i bet in OPN ppl dont care about sending things 00:56 <@Chocolate> zic: iip is on freshmeat I beleave 00:56 < nemesis> what you will send the other one 00:56 < nemesis> or a new perlscript for xchat 00:56 < nemesis> and so on 00:57 < nemesis> desktop pics 00:57 <@Chocolate> nemesis: use fileserv.pl, it's under the GPL so you can make any modifications you want 00:57 < zic> i think he knows that chocolate 00:57 < nemesis> erm 00:57 <@Chocolate> zic: well I forgot to include the licence header in the file so :) 00:57 < nemesis> test it on windows with xchat and active perl please 00:58 < nemesis> and say me how i can use it 00:58 < nemesis> or make a faq 00:58 < zic> Chocolate: oh yes, you made it. thank you, btw 00:58 < nemesis> ;) 00:59 < zic> Chocolate: is it possible to make a perl-version compatible MIRC script ? 00:59 < nemesis> ;) 01:00 < nemesis> where need a shareware? 01:00 < nemesis> xchat under win is more stable and open than mirc 01:00 < nemesis> i only miss the drag and drop option bye filesend 01:00 < zic> but mirc is far more popular 01:00 < nemesis> and? 01:01 < zic> and many IIP users use mirc 01:01 < nemesis> i had mirc 6.00 for 1 to 2 month 01:01 < nemesis> it crashes always after some hours 01:01 < zic> i used mirc all my life 01:01 < zic> i like mirc a lot 01:01 < nemesis> and it takes 3 month or so for the next version 01:01 < nemesis> then 01:01 < nemesis> the multiserv 01:01 < nemesis> in the performlist 01:01 < nemesis> it deleted and reorganized the list 01:02 < nemesis> in xchat i can use the (very slow) transparent windowbackground 01:02 < nemesis> have good ssl support for other irc networks that support this 01:02 < zic> nemesis: ok, but ppl use it, so fileserver.pl must have a compatible clone for mirc... 01:03 < nemesis> for every server a own perform list and so on 01:03 < nemesis> mirc 01:03 < nemesis> thats an programing language the mirc script? 01:04 < zic> hmm it's mirc's own scripting language 01:04 < zic> which is btw very known, my first interpreted language was mirc's 01:05 < nemesis> lol 01:05 < nemesis> *sorry* 01:05 < nemesis> make a good if then constallation 01:05 < nemesis> i stopped it 01:06 < nemesis> cause i can't finde the way to make it possible in mirc 01:06 < zic> why not? 01:07 < zic> well, nevermind 01:07 < nemesis> it's to hard to explain it in english sorry guy 01:08 < zic> ok, dont worry, sorry for pushing 01:08 < zic> what i meant is just that fileserver.pl needs compatibility.. hehe 01:08 < nemesis> kk 01:09 < nemesis> find a way in your mirc scripting language ;) 01:09 < zic> :-/ 01:09 < zic> i dont even use windows anymore 01:09 < nemesis> i only liked the easy way to make windows with mirc 01:29 < sanity> . 01:29 < zic> ' 01:31 < zic> going to opn, see you 02:44 < dd0c> is this rc3 preview useable? 02:44 < dd0c> heh dumb question --- Log closed Wed Nov 20 10:43:44 2002