s for sections, header tags, and so forth, all with classes and IDs when it would be useful) so that a stylesheet can completely change the appearance to the user's liking. 13:30 <@cervantes> cool 13:30 < jrandom> kickass adamta! 13:31 * jrandom will not touch that side of things for a bit (i've got plenty to work on in the router :) 13:31 <@cervantes> on a semi related note the new routerconsole themes have been somewhat delayed by arcturus' *ahem* disappearence 13:31 < jrandom> heh d'oh 13:31 <@cervantes> I'm trying to pick up where he left off with some of the workflow tweaks 13:32 <@cervantes> but I don't have the JSP skills to do anything radical like fix the broken tunnel config screens 13:33 < jrandom> ah cool, any progress is good, and if you need help with anything in particular, i'm 'round 13:33 < jrandom> adamta: one thing to keep in mind is the multiple-style thing (using the author-selected but locally hosted style) ((check my recent blog posts for more info)) 13:33 <@cervantes> having said that the new alternative theme is looking ok 13:33 < jrandom> nice 13:34 <+fox> The new color scheme is definitely nicer, if that's what you're referring to (?). 13:35 <@cervantes> adamta: it would be cool if the author's can select a complete style from a set of templates for their particular blog 13:35 < jrandom> cervantes: do you think we should deploy those jsp/css changes arcturus bounced me before, or would you prefer to hold off until you've finished some more pieces of it? 13:36 <@cervantes> jrandom: I'm not sure what he gave you 13:36 <@cervantes> if you can sling them over to me I can compare...I have made additional markup changes since I last discussed things with him 13:37 < jrandom> cervantes: individual blog posts can now have per-blog style applied (causing e.g. class="s_detail_addressLink ss_minimal_detail_addressLink" to be used in the html, assuming the style specified is "minimal") 13:37 < jrandom> cool, i'll bounce 'em your way cervantes 13:37 <@cervantes> ta 13:38 < jrandom> cervantes: a per-blog theme is a bit tougher - the LJ folks had to deal with it too, and came up with the compromise saying the list containing multiple blogs uses the reader's style preferences, while the list containing just one blog's posts uses the author's style preferences 13:38 < jrandom> we could publish a 'DefaultStyle: minimal' in the blog's metadata to allow the later 13:39 <@cervantes> yeah that was what I was imagining 13:39 <+susi23> (readers preferences should always override others) 13:39 <+susi23> (but thats an opinion :) 13:39 < jrandom> right, when the reader has explicit preferences 13:39 <@cervantes> /ignore susi23 13:39 <@cervantes> sheet it didn't work 13:41 <@cervantes> if we make filter by blog more distinct form of navigation 13:42 <@cervantes> such as a side list 13:42 < jrandom> at the moment, the user's preferences are kind of integrated into the workflow, rather than off in a separate prefs page (e.g. a link to bookmark a blog, or ignore them, or hide/show images). perhaps when we have multiple local styles, it'd be good to have a 'view style' drop down at the top 13:42 <@cervantes> then it will make style changes more pallatable 13:42 < jrandom> hmm yeah ,interblog navigation is going to be interesting 13:43 < jrandom> so you like how it was originally, with that list of blogs on the left hand side, rather than the drop down? 13:43 < jrandom> http://syndiemedia.i2p/viewattachment.jsp?blog=ovpBy2mpO1CQ7deYhQ1cDGAwI6pQzLbWOm1Sdd0W06c=&entry=1124769600000&attachment=0 13:44 <@cervantes> well that could be a template preference perhaps? 13:44 < jrandom> hmm, i dont know if stylesheets can turn a list into a drop down, can it? 13:44 <@cervantes> navigation type: dropdown|sidelist|hierarchy 13:44 <@cervantes> no 13:45 < jrandom> ok, yeah, that can be done in jsp & user preference though, no problem 13:45 < jrandom> (hierarchy?) 13:45 <+susi23> (sure, you can give the select a rows parameter) 13:45 <@cervantes> but if you abstract the markup into templates then you can have multiple user preference layouts 13:45 < jrandom> ah, true, as a multivalued list 13:45 < jrandom> (rather than an html list of links) 13:46 <@cervantes> (I was blueskying though) 13:46 < jrandom> right right cervantes (though it'd be nice if we can do as much templating as possible through css, since thats easier to deploy themes for) 13:46 < jrandom> ((especially with the new docs/syndie_standard.css)) 13:46 <@cervantes> you might want to save that until version 2 and concentrate on more important aspects 13:47 <+susi23> (you could put all three variants in the html source and the users decides which divs we want to hide) 13:47 <@cervantes> right, if adamta sorts out the markup then you can probably do quite dramatic variations 13:47 < jrandom> aye, but i'm open for ideas for the default. if there's a better way to nav, it'd be better to deploy that 13:47 < jrandom> good call susi23 13:47 <+susi23> (k, not very elegant way ;) 13:47 <@cervantes> as in http://www.csszengarden.copm 13:48 <@cervantes> * http://www.csszengarden.com 13:48 * jrandom is glad i implemented ArchiveIndex as a separate object from Archive, so all this stuff is essentially just churning through the archive.txt textfile :) 13:49 < jrandom> ok, anyone have any further questions/comments/concerns wrt syndie? 13:50 < jrandom> (one thing to note is that the new petname stuff has a one-click export to the user's userhosts.txt file, dumping any i2p addresses there [but it doesn't import yet]) 13:50 <@cervantes> nice work 13:50 < jrandom> gracias cervantes 13:50 <@cervantes> you going to ever do anything on i2p core again? :) 13:50 < jrandom> heh 13:51 * jrandom has a pair of killer changes to the router coming up, giving us lots of capabilities 13:51 < jrandom> (but more on those when they're tested and ready for deployment) 13:51 <@cervantes> i2pponies.ar 13:51 <@cervantes> i2ponies.war 13:52 <@cervantes> hmm vnc refresh is slow tonight 13:52 <+susi23> (pony wars? poor ponies...) 13:52 < jrandom> heh 13:52 < jrandom> ok, moving on to 3) susidns 13:52 < jrandom> susi23: wanna give us a rundown? 13:52 <+susi23> well 13:53 <+susi23> there is not much to say... susidns is a very simple webapp giving you access to addressbook configuration and subscriptions files 13:53 <+susi23> and to your "addressbooks" namely hosts.txt, userhosts.txt and (if existing) your published addressbook 13:54 <+susi23> I added an introduction page and some explanations how addressbook works 13:54 <+susi23> (ok, how I think addressbok works ;) 13:54 < jrandom> w00t :) 13:54 <+bar> userhosts.txt? 13:54 <+susi23> as there've been user questions about this in the last weeks 13:54 <+Ragnarok> I'll send feedback, once I try it out :) 13:54 <@cervantes> cool, how ready is it? 13:54 <+susi23> sure 13:54 <+susi23> usable 13:55 < ardvark> i use addressbook, but have no userhosts.txt, or is userhosts.txt my personal/private eepsites? 13:55 < jrandom> ardvark: userhosts is for user specified custom overrides (it doesnt exist by default) 13:55 <+susi23> userhosts.txt is a 2nd hosts.txt file which is read by the NamingService 13:55 < ardvark> ok 13:55 <+Ragnarok> userhosts.txt is the one you can edit without fear of dataloss via race conditions :) 13:55 <+susi23> and yes people used this for private keys 13:56 <+susi23> (which is a bit dangerous now when you activate addressbook publication) 13:57 <+susi23> well, no magic here... thats all 13:57 <+Ragnarok> adding a privatehosts.txt or something, which is read by the NamingService but not addressbook would be trivial 13:57 <+susi23> true 13:57 <@cervantes> I would like to see that ;-) 13:58 * cervantes clutches his private keys ;-) 13:58 < jrandom> ooh, susidns intro page is nice :) 13:58 < jrandom> (cervantes/susi/ragnarok/et al: see the syndie pet name web interface too [you need to log in to see it]) 13:58 <+susi23> as addressbooks publication is turned off by default there is no danger for normal people 13:58 < jrandom> right right 13:59 <+Ragnarok> I've asked this before, but is there anything I can do to make life easier for people writing addressbook frontends? 13:59 * cervantes has forgotten his login 13:59 < jrandom> cervantes: you can register again ;) 13:59 <+Ragnarok> so have I, probably 14:00 <@cervantes> wouldn't sushidns be a better name? 14:00 * cervantes ducks 14:00 <+susi23> ragnarok: how about a function to interupt the sleeping thread for immediate (user triggered) subscription update? 14:01 < jrandom> ooh, or a manual "fetch now" capabiliy 14:01 * susi23 slaps cervantes with a large trout. 14:01 <+susi23> yes, calling it dns is ridiculous here...but thats a historic name :) 14:01 <@cervantes> raw trout! 14:01 * cervantes grabs the soya sauce 14:01 <+susi23> (pervert!) 14:02 <+susi23> k, back to topic please ;) 14:02 <+Ragnarok> ok, I'll look into that 14:02 <+susi23> (don't drink at meetings!) 14:02 * jrandom hides my drink 14:03 * susi23 pings jrandom 14:03 < jrandom> ok cool, thanks susi, looks v.nice 14:03 < jrandom> ok, moving on to 4) ??? 14:03 < jrandom> anyone have anything else they want to bring up for the meeting? 14:04 <@cervantes> if anyone has been experiencing any issues with irc2p please let the admins know 14:06 <@cervantes> #irc2p is the support channel 14:06 <@cervantes> or post to the forum 14:06 <@cervantes> jrandom: do you want a syndie forum btw? (or is that redundant) 14:07 <@cervantes> susi23: you're welcome to have one too, for you plethora of i2p apps ;-) 14:07 < jrandom> atm, i think we're ok without one, thanks though 14:07 < jrandom> the susiworld forum 14:09 < jrandom> ok, if there's nothing else 14:09 * jrandom winds up 14:09 * jrandom *baf*s the meeting closed