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20:00:17 0) Hi 20:00:17 1) http://dogecoindark.i2p/ console home page request, reconsideration from July 14 meeting http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/meetings/238 -- orig. request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=2#p9999 -- result: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10078 -- possibly replaced by http://doged.i2p/ 20:00:17 2) http://exchanged.i2p/ console home page request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10391 20:00:17 3) http://i2pwiki.i2p/ console home page request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10437 20:00:18 4) http://lenta.i2p/ console home page request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10439 20:00:21 5) CCC preparation update from Oct. 6 meeting: http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/meetings/239 20:00:22 6) forum.i2p replacement proposal (hottuna, dg) - followup from Oct. 6 meeting: http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/meetings/239 20:00:25 Note that several early comments on items 1-4 are on the agenda page http://zzz.i2p/topics/1970 20:00:27 0) Hi 20:00:42 welcome to the 240th meeting of this great project, spanning 13 1/2 years 20:01:00 hi 20:01:10 Hello 20:01:24 Title: zzz.i2p: How to get my Eepsite added to the Router Console home page (at zzz.i2p) 20:01:27 for the new folks, this meeting is mainly for group decision-making, let's target 10 minutes or less for each agenda item 20:01:43 Title: zzz.i2p: How to get my Eepsite added to the Router Console home page (at zzz.i2p) 20:01:51 and as a reminder, anybody else can schedule a meeting here at any time for any reason 20:01:53 Title: I2PWiki (at i2pwiki.i2p) 20:02:16 1) http://dogecoindark.i2p/ console home page request, reconsideration from July 14 meeting http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/meetings/238 -- orig. request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=2#p9999 -- result: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10078 -- possibly replaced by http://doged.i2p/ 20:02:26 Title: zzz.i2p: How to get my Eepsite added to the Router Console home page (at zzz.i2p) 20:02:35 Title: I2P Development Meeting 239 - I2P (at i2p-projekt.i2p) 20:02:39 is the dogecoindark.i2p operator here? 20:02:39 Title: I2P Development Meeting 239 - I2P (at i2p-projekt.i2p) 20:02:43 Title: zzz.i2p: Meeting Tues. Nov. 3, 8 PM UTC (at zzz.i2p) 20:03:17 Title: I2P Development Meeting 238 - I2P (at i2p-projekt.i2p) 20:04:34 I saw a lot of negative comments about dogecoindark.i2p/doged.i2p on the meeting page. Anybody else wish to comment pro or con? 20:05:03 i think i2p should start taking a neutral stance towards cryptocoins in general 20:05:20 what would you say our stance is now? 20:05:33 neutral 20:06:03 so what do you mean 'start' taking a neutral stance? 20:06:06 yeah 20:06:11 im here 20:06:30 what was the negative comments? 20:06:32 ive removed all scripts, 20:06:35 not endorsing some coins over others 20:06:38 its just graphics and html now 20:06:54 dogedDEV, please review them quickly, link is above 20:07:00 and ive moved alot of our source code over to the i2p based git repo 20:07:02 I spoke my peace in http://zzz.i2p/topics/1970-meeting-tues-nov-3-8-pm-utc 20:07:02 hi 20:07:06 Title: zzz.i2p: Meeting Tues. Nov. 3, 8 PM UTC (at zzz.i2p) 20:07:51 dogedDEV, please explain the name change, and respond to the objections about all the images. As of now you don't have any support at all, so you have about 2 minutes to convince us otherwise 20:08:34 well, ive been non stop building us out more on i2p 20:08:39 i built an i2p electrum server 20:08:49 i revamped the entire site after the complains it had widgets 20:09:00 which is why the name changed to i2p. i scrapped the old site and started fresh. 20:09:11 ive made quite a few tutorials to help users get on i2p 20:09:29 and doged.i2p is its permanent home 20:11:15 id like to think that if people increase their bandwidth the graphics will load faster. perhaps i will add a text only version in the near future to satisfy people with low bandwidths needs 20:11:15 i really enjoy i2p and have spread the word to many privacy concerned people globally about it, and its benefits 20:11:15 but all of i2p is 'low bandwidth'. The problem is on your end, not your users 20:11:15 the images seem to load fast for me and other users who have tweaked their bandwidth 20:11:15 not for me 20:11:15 i feel our site there loads just as fast as our onion site. 20:11:19 i have been focusing less on tor as of late and more on i2p. 20:11:21 or the others who commented 20:11:27 Nor me, and I'm loading it again and waiting. 20:11:45 And clearnet sources are still being pulled. It's like nothing changed since we posted in that thread. 20:11:50 i can change the resolution on them i suppose 20:12:00 no site in 2015 puts everything behind 200 images on the home page 20:12:02 whgere is it pulling from clearnet? 20:12:13 it shouldnt be communicating with any clearnet 20:12:17 hello 20:12:24 the index page 20:12:47 right now i don't see it as 'broadly useful to the i2p community', which is our first critereon 20:12:56 I see where you're headed but I don't think you're there yet 20:13:03 how is a crypto currency focused on privacy not useful? 20:13:06 it's clearly better than it was. 20:13:08 I'm loading the site right now 20:13:15 is anybody here in favor of this request, please speak up now 20:13:23 i just loaded it, half the graphics have already loaded on my end 20:13:39 Site took 13s to load HTML (but most of that was getting the LS) 20:13:44 and im not connecting to it locally or anything 20:13:48 i works fine for me 20:13:50 I've never loaded the site at its new addr yet 20:14:01 Fastest image was 17s 20:14:10 Slowest so far is 1min44s 20:14:25 i can absolutely lower the resolution on the graphics 20:14:34 last time I tried I gave up after 10 minutes 20:14:42 dogedev has been working hard on promoting privacy and pushing the clearnet cryptocoin community towards i2p 20:14:44 3min in, still not loaded 20:14:51 ^ same here, it's still loading. 20:14:53 it's never loaded completely on my end 20:14:56 ok, started to load 1 min ago, lets wait 20:14:57 dogedDEV, are you using the same I2P router for HTTP tunnel when testing? 20:15:14 no 20:15:14 because if so, your connection won't be going through I2P 20:15:29 we aren't doubting dogedDEV's commitment to i2p. we are evaluating the appropriateness of adding the site to the home page only 20:15:46 i suppose i can lower the res on the images, thereby decreasing image file sizes. 20:16:01 dogedDEV, okay, now that some of the upper half of the site has loaded (dev resources etc.), I can see the problem 20:16:10 i just wanted it to look nice, but i suppose for the average user it would load slow. and performance is just as importance. 20:16:15 You shouldn't need to use images for *ALL* of your content 20:16:22 important* 20:16:30 I appreciate the artistic merit, but why can't this be an opportunity for innovation? 20:16:32 I'm proposing we reject this request. He can always resubmit some time in the future. Any objections? 20:16:42 Not only does it make the site take ages to load, but it also makes the site unsearchable 20:16:52 there is innovation in the coin, even with i2p 20:16:57 any other i2p electrum servers out there? 20:17:34 I'm all for getting into financial stuff but this is way too slow 20:18:01 It seems that the only person who cares about the website's vision is the author. 20:18:01 i working on an android app now that connects to our i2p electrum 20:18:01 If what you like is the font, you can load that font via CSS 20:18:01 we aren't doubting the innovation, or your overall project. Only the website. 20:18:01 I'm speaking solely on the site, this meeting is about the *site*. 20:18:01 last call for discussion on 1) 20:18:01 Most of what I can see on the website could be done in CSS, which would drastically cut down the required images and drastically improve site load times. 20:18:01 no, i did agree with the website vision, if the graphics are too large, i can decrease the size and even make a text only link, that just uses css 20:18:01 anonimal, i like it 20:18:02 I agree with str4d 20:18:29 no objections to rejecting. It's unbearably slow when it loads. 20:18:43 whens the next meeting? 20:18:43 and now isn't one of those times... 20:18:47 $ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:4444 curl --silent http://doged.i2p/ 20:18:50 408 Request Timeout 20:18:51

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20:18:57 and it isn't just the site itself - it's also the recent name change (which perhaps should restart the clock completely) and psi's objection to promoting _any_ coin 20:19:09 Title: DogecoinDark.i2p Official Site (at doged.i2p) 20:19:13 ok, that's it for 1) 20:19:24 dogedDEV, now that a bit more of the site has loaded, it does look very pretty. But I think that nearly everything down to at least the FB/twitter/etc. links could be done via CSS with a few images for the actual images. 20:19:24 2) http://exchanged.i2p/ console home page request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10391 20:19:29 so since psi's coin promotion affects the judging, is anoncoin being removed? 20:19:38 because that would be silly 20:19:41 Title: zzz.i2p: How to get my Eepsite added to the Router Console home page (at zzz.i2p) 20:19:46 So I'm -1 on 1) for now. 20:19:47 is the exchanged.i2p operator here? 20:20:06 zzz, hey i am here 20:20:31 ok abyss please tell us about your site, and respond to any objections raised on the zzz.i2p thread 20:20:43 anoncoin is dead 20:20:47 (imo) 20:20:51 thats sad =\ 20:21:00 anywho, moving on. ill resubmit. 20:21:00 psi, its not dead 20:21:26 im in favor of exchanged.i2p, if my opinion matters. 20:21:31 ok zzz the main concern is that i am not reliable to be trusted with other peoples money 20:21:47 tell us about the site first please 20:21:50 site loads quick, trades are quick. alot of doged users have traded there and without issue. 20:21:58 ok 20:22:26 Exchanged.i2p is a site where users can trade cryptocurrncies such as bitcoin litecoin anoncoin dogecoindark ect anonymously 20:22:47 we have been operating since july 1 20:23:00 alpha testing started june1 20:23:49 also im been voched for by the anoncoin and dogecoindark development team 20:24:19 anoncoin dev is not here currently but here is the link https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/3cxk7k/exchangedi2p_anonymous_exchange/ 20:24:23 Title: Exchanged.i2p Anonymous Exchange : CryptoCurrency (at www.reddit.com) 20:24:24 there seems to be two objections, that the site is too rough/early, and that we shouldn't be endorsing anything financial 20:25:17 here's what I said in the request thread: We haven't had a request for an exchange before. While I don't feel that we are qualified to assess any market's legitimacy and stability, I think we should try, as there may be some sort of implied blessing by putting a link in the console. 20:25:28 by placing an icon on a menu, i dont see that as endorsing, personally. unless you also encouraged its use over other people applying for the same thing he is. 20:25:49 the roughness makes load times fast and doesn't affect the usefulness 20:26:12 for any trader fast response time is much more important than prettyness 20:26:13 i dig the ascii menus. reminds me of back in the day. 20:26:19 i tried to create a design that would maximise usability 20:26:19 i think alot of users feel the same way. 20:26:19 anybody have any opinion on this? Is it an endorsement? Should we attempt to verify? Or should we not put markets or trading platforms on the home page at all? 20:26:34 right, response time and the admin being around as long as he has, i think its a go. 20:27:00 From a usability PoV I think it seems good (but have not made any trades) 20:27:15 I'm more or less indifferent. My objection to #1 is the extreme slowness in loading. This one, at least, is *very* quick. 20:27:17 he even recently added an api at the request of an analytical site 20:27:17 Yes, since we have the power to pick and choose, every link becomes an implied endorsement. 20:27:24 I'm definitely in favor of markets and exchanges and anything financial over i2p in general. It adds a dimension to the broad usability of i2p which helps attract people 20:27:27 I have suggested there be a light theme too though, because the dark contrast is hard for some users 20:27:33 has anybody here used this site for any trades, please speak up 20:27:37 User-opinion here: I think that information should be easily findable, but also think it shouldn't be part of a router :o Maybe a a link to thematically sorted list of active domains or something on the router-console? 20:27:45 (particularly blue on black, although the shade of blue is a bit better than last time) 20:28:10 str4d: 80's mainframe colors FTW ;-) 20:28:27 let's not get into detailed color advice here. Big picture, decision time. Yay or nay and why please. 20:28:38 Is there already a statement on the router homepage stating 'links below are not an endorsement but simply sites that have met the minimum guidelines to be posted on the homepage'? 20:29:03 yay - site loads quick, ive used it and it works as expected. abyss is always around and easy to get a hold of. 20:29:08 amknesia, thats a good idea. 20:29:35 i2p developers do not condone/endorse the sites listed in the console. 20:29:44 Is it broadly useful to the i2p community/ 20:29:56 explicit or not, it's an implied endorsement 20:30:02 absollutely 20:30:20 Broadly useful? IMHO yes. 20:30:31 as long as fiat doesnt get involved i think it makes a great addition. 20:30:39 Yes, broadly useful, and the site has improved somewhat in usability. 20:30:48 has _anybody_ here actually used it for a trade? 20:30:48 The endorsement is implicit, especially to newcomers and especially because a lot of links are indeed official 20:30:58 No. 20:31:07 even if fiat is involved it's still a great addition 20:31:07 i have traded on it. 20:31:27 >The endorsement is implicit 20:31:28 zzz: I have, only a few satoshis worth of trade though. 20:31:28 small amounts, but over time, and its always worked 20:31:30 But with fiat involved, it is harder for the site itself to be justifiably anonymous 20:31:33 Yes, and disclaimer would be useless. 20:31:33 pilgrim-wu (who isn't here) is deeply involved in cryptoexchanges (even manages one based in W. China). He's used exchanged.i2p before. He loves it, zzz 20:32:25 for those that are intrested i can give you a few doged's to trade with 20:32:25 ok let's wrap this up. The consensus isn't clear to me, so please enter +1 for yes and -1 for no 20:32:32 +1 20:32:35 From a "risk" level, if the site is only exchanging cryptocoins, then it is subject to the market forces of other exchanges wrt value 20:32:42 that way you can test it out for yourself :) 20:32:45 +1 20:33:33 +1 20:33:33 (I'm not sure if I have suffrage here, but...) +1 20:33:48 -1: No sex, drugs, money, or rock&roll in router console. 20:33:56 —— = "neutral / not negative" 20:34:30 +1 if my vote counts 20:34:33 +1 no drugs sex money rock/roll in router console 20:34:38 no rock&roll?? OMG anonimal!! 20:34:41 -1: Good site, but I agree it's an endorsement. 20:34:49 rather, -1 20:34:57 psi, :) 20:34:57 +1 drugs, sexs and rock&roll averywhere 20:35:01 :( 20:35:09 Question: What about having a links page/site instead that isn't the homepage but is linked from it. This would avoid the homepage 'implied endorsement' which also making it easy for newbies to find sites they might be interested in. Are any of the current homepage sites set up to provide that? 20:35:21 amknesia: +1 20:35:28 amknesia: +1 20:35:29 From a PR perspective, anonimal, I agree on the sex and drugs. We don't want the router to become the i2p equivalent of the hidden wiki. But why are currency exchanges inherently negative? 20:35:47 router console* 20:35:56 I would lean towards amknesia's idea. 20:36:01 i think private networks have an indirect obligation to protect crypto, especially as of late. 20:36:05 but thats just my two cents. 20:36:05 +1 from me (barely) 20:36:19 Lady3Jane, The inherent problem with an anonymous currency exchange is that there is every chance the site could disappear with all funds, and no recompense 20:36:35 that can happen on any exchange 20:36:43 and has happened on clearnet exchanges. 20:36:51 ^ Then I see no reason to endorse yet another one here. 20:36:57 str4d: Just as a counterarguement: That has already happened with *PUBLIC* non-anonymous exchanges, so is that really any more of a threat? 20:36:57 Has, yes. But there are avenues for at least partial recompense 20:37:08 abyss: Beyond the typical eskrow system, do you have any contingencies to ensure to the public (but above all, to the devs who want to endorse you) that you won't skip town with a sack of bills? 20:37:17 anonimal, becasue this one is private 20:37:25 I count 4+ and 3-, but we could also declare that's too close and let's reconsider at a future meeting 20:37:31 Lady3Jane, I don't actually see an escrow 20:37:37 (at least not in the security list) 20:37:46 I did want to ask about multisig too 20:37:58 And maybe we should review the standards for submission. 20:38:19 there is no escrow or mutlisig because thats not really practice for an low latency exchange 20:38:29 kytv, str4d, guns to your head, please vote + or - 20:38:32 Maybe it is time for a crypto-rep service? 20:39:05 similar to cryptoasian you mean? 20:39:17 * anonimal doesn't care who does what or where or when, this is only for java i2p's router console. 20:39:25 last call for votes 20:39:27 I am a tentative +0.5 at this stage. I think the site is beneficial for users, but the risks should probably be better-conveyed to users. 20:39:56 maybe abyss can put a disclaimer on the site? 20:40:10 how about approved if he puts a disclaimer on there then? 20:40:16 and that would at least pacify the people voting nay because of risk 20:40:27 i can do that 20:40:44 There's always a risk, but as long as users are explicitly aware of the risks, I 20:40:46 zzz: +1 (with disclaimer of sorts) 20:40:51 'm not opposed to it. 20:40:52 we've spent too long on this, if we don't decide in the next 60 seconds I'm moving on anyway 20:41:04 ok, sounds like approval if he adds the disclaimer 20:41:07 anything else on 2) ? 20:41:20 zzz: when is the next meeting? 20:41:23 Is it difficult to make it probationary? 20:41:27 +1 for abyss's exchange, code is clean 20:41:32 3) http://i2pwiki.i2p/ console home page request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10437 20:41:34 IE you could always move it after the next session if there are issues? 20:41:38 is the i2pwiki.i2p operator here? 20:41:50 Title: I2PWiki (at i2pwiki.i2p) 20:42:33 any discussion on i2pwiki pro/con? 20:42:43 isn't open4you.i2p just a zombie? 20:42:56 please stay on topic everybody 20:42:56 * anonimal loading 20:42:59 +1 for i2pwiki. It actually loads and the user makes backups available. 20:43:10 dogedDEV, next homepage meeting will be week before 0.9.24 release 20:43:11 +1 i2pwiki 20:43:22 -1 open4you 20:43:31 open4you.i2p works sometimes and sometimes no fox 20:43:31 i2host isnt loading it for me 20:43:31 any objections to i2pwiki? 20:43:41 please stay on topic everybody 20:43:43 i think it is decent 20:43:44 i2pwiki.i2p by default redirects to B32 20:43:53 trolly: it loads sometimes but i don't think they still give out hosting 20:43:54 admin did not answer, I think open4you.i2p was hacked or something 20:43:57 (at least for me) 20:44:03 please stay on topic everybody 20:44:14 i2p slogans are still there. That was an issue before. 20:44:31 he created admin2.ope4you.i2p later, but I can login only in admin.open4you.i2p 20:44:32 is the slogan issue enough to reject it? 20:44:40 str4d, i think thats a mediawiki issue, mine was having the same issue 20:44:45 please stay on topic everybody. open4you is NOT the topic. 20:45:05 Also, interesting - ugha.i2p is back up 20:45:19 Yes, because of some of the content. Other than that, I would +1. 20:45:30 2015-10 New wiki eepsite: As ugha.i2p was down from may 2015 to 2015-10-30, a new wiki was launched (http://i2pwiki.i2p). It is running on MediaWiki. Please move to this wiki. 20:45:30 i2pslogans isn't an issue. That was also on ugha.i2p. Users can police that just as they could on ugha 20:45:31 -1 on i2pwiki.i2p 20:45:44 *from ugha.i2p. front page 20:45:46 Title: I2PWiki (at i2pwiki.i2p) 20:45:47 I am generally +1 for i2pwiki.i2p, but would really like the redirection issue fixed 20:45:53 Could not find the following destination: http://i2host.i2p/cgi-bin/i2hostjump?i2pwiki.i2p/ 20:46:07 Title: I2HOST Jump (at i2host.i2p) 20:46:07 dogedDEV, http://nrbnshsndzb6homcipymkkngngw4s6twediqottzqdfyvrvjw3pq.b32.i2p is the B32 for i2pwiki 20:46:11 ok we have + from psi and kytv and str4d , - from anonimal and dogedev. Others please vote 20:46:14 me: +1 20:46:16 str4d, could it be a i2prouter issue? 20:46:17 It's just an i2ptunnel setting I'm sure, it's not a mediawiki problem. 20:46:20 Title: I2PWiki (at nrbnshsndzb6homcipymkkngngw4s6twediqottzqdfyvrvjw3pq.b32.i2p) 20:46:24 topic isn't cleaning up /home? 20:46:24 str4d: If you haven't noticed, check the status-page of uhga, it seems it was "up" all the time 20:46:26 +1 20:46:49 str4d, i find that when sites use relitive links the i2prouter defaults to the b32 20:46:53 fox, we are on agenda item 3) 20:47:02 +1 i2pwiki it loads and is useful 20:47:23 ok I count 6 + and 2 -, that sounds like approved, any final objections? 20:47:27 +1 i think its usefull and works well 20:47:51 +1, I was wrong. 20:47:56 last call for 3) 20:47:57 Slogans were fixed. 20:48:06 * anonimal saw cached version. 20:48:15 4) http://lenta.i2p/ console home page request: http://zzz.i2p/topics/236?page=3#p10439 20:48:22 is the lenta.i2p operator here? 20:48:35 Title: Lenta.i2p | Твоя новостная лента (at lenta.i2p) 20:48:37 +1 from me. It loads quickly, the news is real and the layout is pleasant 20:48:48 this one appeared to have broad support on the zzz.i2p thread, and in #ru when I asked there a couple of weeks ago 20:49:12 any other thoughts pro/con? 20:49:34 —— = "neutral / not negative" 20:49:45 is i2pwiki's admin around? 20:49:55 having something catering to .ru users on the home page can be seen as a sign of good will 20:49:57 * anonimal No objections. xopowo. 20:50:08 I have NFI what it says, but good that we reflect the Russian userbase. 20:50:14 +1 for lenta.i2p 20:50:18 sounds like approved to me. last call for 4) 20:50:21 +1 for lenta.i2p 20:50:43 +0.5 based on approval from people who can read Russian 20:50:51 Title for it should be in Russian, so users can instantly tell that it is a RU site 20:51:12 Uhmm, dumb question, but should there maybe be a split in links based on 'currently selected language' versus 'foreign language' links? 20:51:16 (both so non-russian speakers don't click, and russian speakers do) 20:51:30 amknesia, that's a thought I just had myself :) 20:51:50 we can always tweak the name in the console 20:51:57 5) CCC preparation update from Oct. 6 meeting: http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/meetings/239 20:52:02 Title: I2P Development Meeting 239 - I2P (at i2p-projekt.i2p) 20:52:34 I just threw this agenda item in there in case there was something to discuss. i believe the banner and the candy and all that is under control. 20:52:47 we finished the budget decisions at last meeting. 20:52:59 If anybody has anything to bring up about CCC, now's the time, else we'll move on 20:53:56 last call for 5) 20:54:31 Nothing from me 20:54:36 You kids have fun there 20:54:46 6) forum.i2p replacement proposal (hottuna, dg) - followup from Oct. 6 meeting: http://i2p-projekt.i2p/en/meetings/239 20:55:13 ok the notes from last meeting are up (thx kytv) and at the end you'll see that hottuna and dg were due to come back with a proposal. 20:55:30 hottuna and dg, you are up. However neither appears to be here? 20:56:05 anybody else have anything on forum replacement that extends (not rehashes) the discussion from last meeting? 20:56:51 I have something tangentially related that I'd like to tack onto the meeting if we have time. 20:56:56 What about forums.i2p? 20:58:30 ok, anything else on 6) ? 20:58:30 I think a user forum is a good idea 20:58:30 freedomforum.i2p works too 20:58:30 And I think that having it clearnet-accessible (not just via inproxy) is a good idea 20:58:30 str4d: +1 20:58:30 the particular agenda item is whether there should be an 'official' replacement 20:58:30 and we have anew forum.. http://es.i2p 20:58:30 but is only Spanish, but anyone can create a channel in En, of course 20:58:39 no site, 'official' or not, has requested to be on the console home page 20:58:42 channel/thread * 20:58:54 ok, anything else on 6) ? 20:59:01 mm, how you will protect new forum users if it will be down too? 20:59:07 If we have people willing to maintain an official forum, I am +1 on it 20:59:14 *if not only admins aalowed to speak 20:59:39 * anonimal would really like dg's hottuna's presence before speaking up on 6) 20:59:44 I'm +1 for lots of forums, -0.1 on an official one 20:59:50 I can't say if http://es.i2p's admin would want to maintain official forum too, sorry 20:59:53 I move to shelve it for next discussion. 21:00:13 +1 on tabling 21:00:16 as hottuna and dg aren't here, let's table this 21:01:20 7) str4d go 21:01:20 s/tabling/shelving 21:01:20 Okay 21:01:20 Here is an idea I have had rattling around my head for a few months now 21:01:20 We define *.i2p.i2p as an unassignable space. 21:01:27 And reserve it for use by I2P devs / services 21:01:48 +1 sounds fun 21:01:51 This gets us around whatever funky stuff ever happens wrt I2P addressbook / naming space 21:02:05 Sounds like a plan to me. 21:02:07 we define in the naming spec what Dest each 3LD refers to 21:02:19 And can change it at any time 21:02:37 (possibly by having an in-net hosts.txt that we host containing the current specified Dests) 21:03:08 >we define in the naming spec 21:03:21 And that would protect against maliciousness, yes? 21:03:50 Yes. The spec is public and any malicious changes would be completely visible 21:03:55 str4d, it's already blocked by stats.i2p registrar and I think most of the others. Not currently blocked in the addressbook import though. 21:04:23 not sure what 'funky' stuff you have in mind 21:05:20 zzz, the problem with the current addressbook system is that it is only pseudo-global. 21:05:36 Now, that itself is debatable, for future 21:05:37 thats good 21:05:53 But IMHO services run by *us* *should* be global. 21:06:23 Stupid idea: What about moving to a namecoin style setup with some sort of PoS system with a required amount of cpu time to retain your domains? 21:06:30 Easiest way to do that is to define a section of the namespace as controlled by us. Logical section is *.i2p.i2p 21:06:39 amknesia, that is outside the scope of this meeting topic 21:06:43 str4d, maybe write up your proposal in the zzz.i2p naming subforum? 21:06:54 Ok 21:07:01 zzz, will do, when I have time to do so (next month probably) 21:07:11 ok, anything else on 7) 21:07:37 anything else for the meeting? 21:07:40 Heh, on that point, I also have another proposal: make proposals a bit more formal and visible 21:08:08 unmute drz and merge fux (just kidding) 21:08:08 ok, now you're just getting meta, so.... 21:08:14 Brief 8) 21:08:28 8) str4d go 21:08:30 zzz, legit topic, promise :) 21:08:48 Right now, all proposals are proposed on zzz.i2p 21:08:54 Their general visibility is IMHO poor at best 21:08:57 * anonimal looks forward to str4d's post 21:09:17 agreed, so propose something better :) 21:09:24 Take e.g. the hostname service feed improvement, getting lost 21:09:46 i'm not holding my site precious. You have a proposal? 21:09:54 I propose that proposals be formally stored in the I2P website repo, and made visible 21:10:09 fine w/ me 21:10:15 With links to the canonical discussion thread on zzz.i2p 21:10:22 Originally I planned on a separate new repo 21:10:32 can you set that up/ 21:10:32 But the I2P website serves two purposes: 21:10:36 ? 21:10:37 - Define spec of the I2P network 21:10:47 - Document the reference implementation (Java) 21:10:55 anybody have any objections? 21:11:03 no 21:11:11 And since the specs are already part of the website, I simultaneously propose to elevate their position 21:11:27