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<pre>--- Log opened Tue Jul 22 15:56:06 2003
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15:56 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: Righto!
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15:56 -!- mode/#iip-dev [+o jrand0m] by hezekiah
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15:56 <@cohesion> log enabled
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15:56 <@jrand0m> w00t
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15:56 <@nop> we need to add cohesion and remove mids on dev list
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15:56 <@hezekiah> Excelent. :)
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15:56 <@hezekiah> What dev list?
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15:56 <@cohesion> nop: i tried CVS and it wouldn't accept my user/pass
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15:56 <@nop> ok, I'll add you
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15:56 <@nop> hold
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15:56 <@nop> what is your sf id
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15:56 <@cohesion> cohesion
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15:56 <@nop> pmsg me if you need
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15:56 <@nop> ok
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15:57 <@cohesion> i think
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15:57 -!- thecrypto [thecrypto@anon.iip] has joined #iip-dev
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15:57 <@hezekiah> BTW, everyone I will be leaving around 22:15.
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15:57 <@hezekiah> UTC
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15:57 <@cohesion> yea
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15:57 <@cohesion> hezekiah: okay
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15:58 <@nop> cohesion: you're in
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15:58 <@nop> we need to update website
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15:58 <@cohesion> nop: okay
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15:58 <@cohesion> nop: i'll try it now
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15:58 <@nop> and we need to start modelling the IIP with an I2P
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15:58 < thecrypto> hey
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15:58 < thecrypto> i made it
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15:58 <@nop> ok
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15:58 <@nop> werd
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15:58 <@nop> ;)
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16:00 <@hezekiah> jrand0m? I just looked at your revision to the
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development schedual.
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16:00 <@jrand0m> si sr?
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16:00 <@hezekiah> The graph with the bars and lines gets chopped off at
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the right hand side; I can't see the rest of it.
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16:01 <@jrand0m> yeah, ganttproject isn't quite perfect, but its better
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than doing it by hand.
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16:01 <@jrand0m> the things at the far right are the last tasks -
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nothing is after them
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16:01 <@hezekiah> But I can
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16:01 <@jrand0m> the tasks there are listed, in order, on the
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index-tasks.html
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16:01 <@hezekiah> can't even see what the tasks are.
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16:02 <@hezekiah> OK. :) I'll just have to settle for text.
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16:02 <@hezekiah> nop: Are we going to start soon? I'm going to have to
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leave at 22:15 UTC, but I'd like to catch as much of the meeting as
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possible.
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16:02 <@jrand0m> let me see if I can make a big task to fix that...
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16:02 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: Thanks. :)
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16:03 <@nop> yes
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16:03 <@nop> alright
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16:03 <@nop> agenda
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16:03 <@nop> 1)
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16:03 <@nop> welcome
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16:03 <@nop> 2)
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16:03 <@nop> Website future
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16:03 <@nop> 3)
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16:03 <@nop> bug fixes with 1.1
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16:03 <@nop> 4)
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16:03 <@nop> I2P
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16:03 <@nop> 5)
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16:03 <@nop> Suggestions and comments
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16:03 <@nop> welcome all
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16:04 <@nop> moving to 2
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16:04 <@nop> website
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16:04 <@nop> cohesion, are your maintanance website skills up to par?
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16:04 <@cohesion> aye
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16:04 <@cohesion> XHTML and CSS are my specialties
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16:04 <@nop> ok, we are assuming you can do website stuff, changes etc
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16:04 <@nop> ok
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16:04 <@cohesion> yep
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16:05 <@cohesion> granted that i can get CVS to cooperate :)
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16:05 <@nop> easy
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16:05 <@nop> export CVS_RSH=ssh
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16:05 <@nop> and don't use pserver
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16:05 <@nop> use d:ext
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16:05 <@cohesion> i'm using gruntspud to CVS interfacing
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16:05 <@nop> ok
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16:05 <@cohesion> it's part of my text editor
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16:05 <@cohesion> it should work
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16:05 <@cohesion> we can talk about that later though
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16:05 <@cohesion> i'm trying it now
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16:05 -!- thecrypto [thecrypto@anon.iip] has quit [Ping timeout]
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16:05 <@nop> if you have issues let me know right away if you can, so I
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can assist this because I have a bunch of tasks
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16:06 <@nop> also
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16:06 <@nop> we need to look at making an I2P section
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16:06 <@nop> since it's going to be the next big project
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16:06 <@nop> I'll talk to ellison to see if he's contribute a bit of his
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web design skills to add to that for a template
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16:06 <@hezekiah> Should I2P be a section of invisiblenet.net or
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invisiblenet.net/iip? (I vote for the former.)
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16:06 <@nop> and we can get that hashed out
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16:06 <@cohesion> ok
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16:06 <@nop> former as well
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16:06 <@jrand0m> former
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16:06 <@nop> it would be under projects
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16:07 -!- thecrypto [~thecrypto@anon.iip] has joined #iip-dev
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16:07 <@nop> iip is one project
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16:07 <@nop> i2p is another
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16:07 <@hezekiah> So, invisiblenet.net/i2p
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16:07 <@nop> yes
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16:07 <@hezekiah> Right. That's the way I see it too. :)
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16:07 <@nop> anyone here good at making a logo?
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16:07 <@nop> volunteers are welcome
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16:07 <@nop> just submit to iip-dev list
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16:07 <@nop> ok moving on
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16:07 <@nop> bug fixes in 1.1
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16:07 <@jrand0m> h/o
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16:07 * hezekiah would like to point out that his skills at the GIMP are
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to be avoided like WMD.
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16:08 <@jrand0m> would it be possible to keep the i2p stuff off the web
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until we're ready for beta?
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16:08 <@cohesion> i suggest we use the wiki for collaborating on the i2p
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documents
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16:08 <@nop> yes
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16:08 <@cohesion> i can set up a restricted area
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16:08 <@nop> that's possible
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16:08 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: Are you thinking of a big smash announcement
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on /. or something once we have it in good order?
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16:08 <@nop> cohesion: I concur
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16:08 <@jrand0m> yes hezekiah
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16:08 <@jrand0m> word cohesion
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16:09 <@nop> ok
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16:09 <@nop> let's look at 1.1 for a sec
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16:09 <@nop> hezekiah you made a discovery, that has not to do with
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focus?
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16:09 <@nop> or what?
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16:10 <@hezekiah> The code is fine.
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16:10 <@hezekiah> The problem is communication, not code.
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16:10 <@hezekiah> The user has to move the mouse aroung _inside_ the
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dialog box.
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16:10 < mihi> the dialog lacks a progress bar to give feedback if the
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user does it correctly
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16:10 <@nop> yes that's true
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16:10 <@hezekiah> He can move the mouse around _outside_ the dialog box
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until he's blue in the face, but it won't gather entropy. (Which is what
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these users are doing.)
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16:10 <@nop> it does lack a dialog box
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16:11 <@hezekiah> A progress bar would be a plus.
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16:11 <@hezekiah> And should be somewhat easy to implement ... if I
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could understand the tangle that UI code in IIP is.
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16:11 <@cohesion> or even some feedback
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16:11 <@hezekiah> Anyway, I posted my suggestions to the mailing list.
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16:12 <@nop> it's in win32 api
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16:12 <@nop> ;)
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16:12 <@hezekiah> Either capture the mouse (I couldn't get M$ to
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cooperate to do that), or make the dialog box message explain to the
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user he needs to move the mouse around _inside_ the dialog box.
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16:12 <@hezekiah> nop: I know.
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16:12 <@nop> fine hezekiah be that way :)
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16:12 <@hezekiah> What?
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16:12 <@hezekiah> What did I do?
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16:12 * hezekiah is confused
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16:12 < thecrypto> how about just maximize the dialog box?
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16:12 <@nop> hezekiah: I'm just messin' with ya
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16:13 <@hezekiah> nop: OK. :)
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16:13 <@hezekiah> Where's UserX? He knows more about the IIP UI code
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than I do.
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16:14 <@hezekiah> thecrypto: As for maximizing, well, the user might not
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like a rabid dialog box consuming his entire screen.
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16:14 <@hezekiah> Mouse capture is ideal, but as I said, I couldn't get
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M$ to do it.
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16:14 <@jrand0m> many other apps don't capture the mouse
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16:14 <@jrand0m> a status bar plus explaination seems typical
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16:15 <@hezekiah> Anyway, that's the 'bug'.
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16:15 <@hezekiah> How do you want it fixed nop?
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16:15 <@nop> well
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16:15 <@nop> I would think if possible we could have a meter that shows
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the entropy gathering for sure
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16:16 <@hezekiah> OK.
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16:16 <@nop> and definitely fixes the language. Have you exhausted the
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research on capturing the mouse movements?
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16:16 <@hezekiah> To the point of my patience.
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16:16 <@hezekiah> Seriously, what I did _should_ work.
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16:16 <@nop> I assume that's a lot?
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16:16 <@hezekiah> Well, I didn't get much sleep last night.
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16:17 <@nop> hmm
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16:17 <@nop> let's try to get a meter bar and the language fixed
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16:17 <@nop> that will give us an idea
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16:17 <@hezekiah> Because it isn't working, I'm assuming the M$ docs are
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lieing to me (very possible) or something 'unknown' is happening in the
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IIP UI code.
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16:17 <@nop> right
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16:17 <@hezekiah> Righto. :)
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16:17 * hezekiah now gets down on his knees and prays that UserX wrote
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UI code for a progress bar.
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16:19 <@nop> haha
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16:19 <@nop> if not go to planet-source-code.com
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16:19 <@nop> there's a lot of samples there
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16:19 <@hezekiah> The win32 API I can manage (though I detest it.)
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16:19 <@nop> I hate it as well
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16:19 <@hezekiah> But UserX/whoever-originally-wrote-this made a wrapper
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around it.
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16:19 <@hezekiah> It's the wrapper I'm worried about.
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16:19 * nop is coding in it right now for work
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16:19 <@hezekiah> I'm looking into it now.
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16:20 <@hezekiah> Let's move on to the next agenda item.
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16:20 -!- jeremiah-gym is now known as jeremiah
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16:20 <@nop> ok
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16:20 <@nop> next item is i2p
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16:20 < jeremiah> hi
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16:20 <@nop> hi
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16:20 <@nop> jrand0m you start
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16:20 <@hezekiah> jeremiah: Just in time!
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16:20 < jeremiah> hezekiah: nop and I are oddly time synced, as you'll
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learn
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16:20 <@jrand0m> 'k, has everyone had a chance to check out the roadmap?
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16:21 <@hezekiah> Yeah.
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16:21 <@jrand0m> its obviously draft, and things after the 1.0 milestone
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are largely up in the air, but its something to start from
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16:21 <@jrand0m> I've updated it beyond whats on the list to include
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hezekiah jumping on the C api (w00t!)
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16:22 -!- jeet [~miteymous@anon.iip] has joined #iip-dev
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16:22 <@jrand0m> basically, after this coming friday, we'll have the API
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protocol spec'ed out, which will mean we can parallelize a lot
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16:22 < jeet> hello ;)
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16:22 <@jrand0m> 'lo jeet
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16:23 < jeet> hey if i make a server is it possible to change anon.iip
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to whatever i want
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16:23 <@jrand0m> rough gut question: how insane does the r2 roadmap
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sound? are schedules insane, are there things missing, are things in the
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wrong order or dependencies not represented?
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16:23 <@nop> yes
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16:23 < jeet> kewl
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16:24 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: I would concur the entire thing is insane.
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However, I think (until I get to college) it should be doable.
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16:24 <@jrand0m> heh
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16:24 < jeet> this is a very cool thing you guys have done ;X
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16:24 <@hezekiah> Though I'm not sure nop and UserX can design that IRC
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protocol even in 21 days.
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16:24 <@hezekiah> nop: ;-)
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16:24 <@nop> no
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16:24 <@jrand0m> ok, you're off to uni in late august? mid august? when
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should we pencil you in for less activity?
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16:24 <@hezekiah> Around August 20th I'm of.
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16:24 <@hezekiah> off.
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16:25 <@jrand0m> 'k
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16:25 <@hezekiah> Until then I'm a rabid nermal! :)
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16:25 < jeremiah> I'm off about the same time
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16:25 < jeremiah> (to univ)
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16:26 <@nop> ok
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16:26 <@jrand0m> so we'll have to get more resources on the 'implement
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IRC' task or just drop the task from the 1.0 release
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16:26 <@hezekiah> I wouldn
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16:26 <@hezekiah> wouldn't make the 1.0 release dependant on IRC.
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16:26 <@nop> I believe that we will need to delay the task
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16:26 < jeet> [17:23] -anon.iip- CTCP (except ACTION) and DCC are
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disabled <- how can i stop this from poppiing up every 3 minutes?
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16:26 <@hezekiah> Do the IRC, but let i2p 1.0 come out when it's ready.
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16:27 < thecrypto> wow, i'm half way through college as two others just
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start :)
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16:27 <@jrand0m> lol
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16:28 <@jrand0m> I concur hezekiah
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16:28 <@hezekiah> Cool. I still think i2p will be it's own killer app.
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:)
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16:28 <@jrand0m> so that basically means all I2P 1.0 requires after
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august is a month of debugging and documentation to go from alpha to
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beta to 1.0
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16:29 <@jrand0m> hezekiah> definitely. we need to get a demo app out on
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it first - does the instant messenger app + file transfer sound good to
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people for that?
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(2002/01/10 00.00)]
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16:29 <@hezekiah> Well, you said it best: 'demo'. From my view, it
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doesn't need to be special. It just needs to prove the network is worth
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developing on.
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16:30 <@hezekiah> So the IM client would be a good demo, in my opinion.
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16:30 < Zwolly> file transfer is one thing i really would like to see so
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gimme a demo
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16:30 <@hezekiah> Zwolly: lol
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16:30 <@nop> yes
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16:30 < Zwolly> and see me as an "normal" user
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16:31 <@hezekiah> Zwolly: You can be our guniea pig! ;-)
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16:31 * hezekiah starts mixing poisinous code in his lab. ;-)
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16:31 < Zwolly> hmmm yummie
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16:32 <@jrand0m> ok, one last thing on i2p
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16:32 <@nop> sure
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16:33 <@jrand0m> nop> any chance we can get a non sourceforge trusted
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cvs server?
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16:34 <@jrand0m> sourceforge has more problems than these college
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student's exams
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16:34 <@nop> yes
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16:34 <@nop> I will arrange that and have it up by next week
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16:34 <@jrand0m> awesome. thanks
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16:34 <@nop> also
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16:34 <@nop> I may be able to get a compile farm
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16:34 <@nop> that is not sf
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16:34 <@nop> with vpn access to it
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16:35 <@hezekiah> Compile farm!?
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16:35 <@jrand0m> compile farm? bah, we can just run ant :)
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16:35 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: All code is not Java.
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16:35 <@hezekiah> I personally love compile farms.
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16:35 <@hezekiah> :)
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16:35 <@jrand0m> ant == make. it can run gcc / etc
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16:35 <@nop> hezekiah: send me a list of viable platforms we'll need to
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test on
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16:35 <@jrand0m> 'k, if we really need the cpu power of a compile farm,
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thats great
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16:36 < wilde> what license are you planning to use?
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16:36 <@nop> GPL
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16:36 <@jrand0m> GPL cool with everyone for this?
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16:36 < wilde> k nice
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16:36 <@hezekiah> I'm very pro GPL.
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16:36 <@hezekiah> But one warning
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16:36 <@hezekiah> For the API's we will probably need LGPL. Otherwise
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all programs made for this network MUST be GPL
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16:36 <@jrand0m> we may want to go LGPL down the line
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16:37 <@jrand0m> yeah
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16:37 <@jrand0m> we MUST not require all apps using I2P to be GPL'ed
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16:37 <@hezekiah> So the router should be GPL, but the API's will
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probably need to be LGPL at some time.
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16:37 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: Then we'll need an LGPL API.
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16:37 <@hezekiah> The only problem that poses is getting a good crypto
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kit for C that is compatible with LGPL.
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16:38 <@hezekiah> I don't think Cryptlib's Sleepycat license is.
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16:38 <@hezekiah> I could email the author and ask for an exception or
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something if I need to when the time comes.
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16:38 <@jrand0m> hezekiah> not need, want. the API comm layer will be an
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open spec, so anyone can write their own and not link to any of our
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libraries
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16:38 <@hezekiah> Right.
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16:38 <@nop> right
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16:38 <@hezekiah> So for now we can even make GPL API's if we need to.
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16:39 <@hezekiah> OK, one question for jrand0m:
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16:39 < jeremiah> but we should try to have non-viral ones asap
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16:39 <@hezekiah> I agree.
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16:39 < wilde> http://www.virtualunlimited.com/products/beecrypt/
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16:40 < wilde> Bee Crypt is LGPL, i've used once
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16:40 <@hezekiah> wilde: Beecrypt is far beneath what is required
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unfortunately.
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16:40 <@nop> yes
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16:40 <@nop> I don't think we should use a crypto lib like Beecrypt
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16:40 <@jrand0m> word wilde
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16:40 <@cohesion> hezekiah: there's tons of crypto code in
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GnuPrivacyGuard that's all GPL'd
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16:40 <@cohesion> you might check and see where it came from
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16:40 <@hezekiah> cohesion: The problem is we'll need an LGPL C API that
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uses Crypto.
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16:41 <@hezekiah> I'll work it out when I get to it.
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16:41 <@hezekiah> For now, I have two questions for jrand0m: (It's gone
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up one!) :)
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16:41 <@jrand0m> we have lots of options. we'll figure it out
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16:41 <@jrand0m> heh fire away
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16:42 <@hezekiah> 1.) When the client API spec is done on the 25th will
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it detail the byte-by-byte structure of the messages sent over the
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network, and will it detail the specifics on how the crypto is
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implemented?
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16:42 <@jrand0m> yes
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16:42 <@hezekiah> 2.) Will be we using Twofish? ;-)
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16:43 <@jrand0m> no, prolly aes, unless someone has a really good reason
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16:43 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: Was that yes to both questions, or just
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question 1?
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16:43 <@hezekiah> OK.
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16:43 <@jrand0m> hezekiah> yes to both
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16:43 <@nop> well
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16:43 < nemesis> uuuh, since when there are here ops? :)
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16:43 <@hezekiah> I really like twofish, but unfortunately AES is easier
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to find a good lib for.
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16:44 <@nop> hold
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16:44 <@hezekiah> nemesis: The English structure of that sentence was
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too garbled for me to decipher? Whould you like to restate your
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question?
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16:44 <@jrand0m> whats special about twofish? why not go with the
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advanced encryption Standard?
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16:44 <@hezekiah> nop: Holding ... :)
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16:44 * jrand0m holds
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16:44 <@nop> I prefer that we have a suite of encryption options
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16:44 <@nop> not just aes
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16:44 <@nop> there are opinions about AES that some people do not feel
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comfortable using
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16:44 <@nop> and would rather go with Twofish etc
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16:44 <@nop> so maybe we can have it be a selection
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16:44 < wilde> do both :)
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16:44 <@nop> yes
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16:44 <@nop> wilde: exactly
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16:45 <@jrand0m> nop> suites would mean not everyone can send messages
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to everyone
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16:45 < jeremiah> but then wouldn't each router have to support both?
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that seems painful
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16:45 <@jrand0m> doing both is definitely the case for transport layer,
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where things can be negotiated
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16:45 <@nop> not really
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16:45 <@nop> I would not agree with AES then
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16:45 <@nop> as if you are paranoid
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16:45 <@hezekiah> Right. But let's try to too enclude things that are
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weakening like 3DES.
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16:45 <@hezekiah> A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
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16:45 <@nop> then you'll realize why
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16:45 <@nop> with the US gov't approvals
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16:46 <@jrand0m> I don't support AES because it has govt approval, I
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support AES because it has cryptographers, scientists, and
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mathematicians approvals.
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16:46 <@jrand0m> if there is a better one, we can go with that.
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16:46 <@jrand0m> but I don't want to go with something because its
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different
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16:46 <@nop> but the approval of twofish is strong as well amongst
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cryptographers
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16:46 <@hezekiah> Well, the last three AES candidates were Rijndael,
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Twofish, and Serpent.
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16:46 <@nop> exactly
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16:47 <@hezekiah> Rijndael was the fastest.
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16:47 <@hezekiah> Personally, I have more faith in Twofish than
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Rijndael.
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16:47 <@jrand0m> nop I think I heard you say there were problems with
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serpent?
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16:47 < wilde> use multiple layers of encryption if you have CPU for it
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16:48 <@jrand0m> wilde> there will be, but thats on a different aspect
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of things.
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16:48 <@nop> all I'm saying is that we could have both supported
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16:48 <@nop> doesn't hurt
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16:48 <@jrand0m> actually it does hurt
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16:48 <@jrand0m> segmentation attack
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16:48 < wilde> ok twofish wrapped in AES could be overkill
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16:48 <@nop> haha
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16:48 <@nop> not twofish wrapped in AES
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16:49 < jeremiah> should we standardize each transport as having one
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specific set of characteristics (network setup, encryption)?
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16:49 <@nop> alright for the sake of argument
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16:49 <@nop> let's do rijndael for this part
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16:49 < jeremiah> and then we could have one TCP transport supporting
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AES, one with Twofish, but not one that has to juggle both?
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16:49 <@jrand0m> jeremiah> yes, particular transports will have
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particular characteristics, but we're covering the end to end message
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crypto done in the api atm
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16:49 <@nop> let's do end to end AES
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16:49 < jeremiah> jrand0m: ah
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16:49 <@nop> then node to node twofish option
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16:50 <@nop> and if you can, do AES-counter mode
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16:50 <@jrand0m> 'k, sounds good. we can always change later on before
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release (during peer review, etc)
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16:50 < wilde> but all crypto algorithms have failed in the past, using
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double encryption would at least buy time in case of a crypto
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breakthrough
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16:50 < jeremiah> not really
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16:50 <@jrand0m> wilde> the truly paranoid can encrypt with their own
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system prior to sending messages over the I2P network
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16:50 <@hezekiah> wilde: If one algorithm is found to be weak, we'll
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replace it.
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16:51 <@jrand0m> I2P will just transparently encrypt
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16:51 < wilde> jrand0m: yes, you're right, there should be a limit to
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paranoia
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16:52 <@nop> yes
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16:52 <@nop> we could go on all day
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16:52 <@nop> arguing about it
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16:52 <@nop> AES end to end
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16:52 <@jrand0m> ok, I don't have anything else on I2P stuff
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16:52 <@nop> Twofish and others node to node
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16:52 <@jrand0m> coo'
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16:53 <@jrand0m> any other I2P stuff, or are we on the next agenda item?
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16:54 <@hezekiah> I'm done. :)
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16:54 < wilde> what about A2A, anonymous 2 anonymous?
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16:54 <@hezekiah> I
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16:55 <@hezekiah> I've never heard of that. What are you talking about,
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wilde?
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16:55 <@jrand0m> I2P is anonymous to anonymous communication
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16:55 <@jrand0m> I2P = "Invisible Internet Project"
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16:55 < nemesis> jrand0m: can you send the roadmap as an attechment, and
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not as inline?
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16:55 <@jrand0m> (dont make us say I^2P)
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16:55 <@nop> hushmail has an encrypted messenger
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16:55 <@nop> neat
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16:56 <@jrand0m> nemesis> hmm, I tried to - hushmail said it was
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attached :/
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16:56 <@hezekiah> nemesis: I got it as attached.
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16:56 <@jrand0m> nemesis> you can d/l from
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http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.invisiblenet.iip.devel/290
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16:56 < nemesis> i'm sorry, i can't copy&paste it
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16:56 <@hezekiah> nemesis: Perhaps your mail reader is the problem? (He
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sent it as a zip file.)
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16:56 < nemesis> its inline
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16:56 < nemesis> theres a zip file...
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16:56 -!- UserX [~User@anon.iip] has joined #iip-dev
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16:57 <@jrand0m> 'lo userx
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16:57 < nemesis> -Hush_boundarfy-31fda3d62329b
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16:57 <@nop> did anyone log this
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16:57 < nemesis> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
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16:57 <@hezekiah> cohesion was supposed to.
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16:57 <@jrand0m> I log all IRC
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16:57 <@cohesion> i have it all
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16:57 < thecrypto> yes
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16:57 <@jrand0m> word
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16:58 < Zwolly> my ISP also logs all the IRC chatting so what is new
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16:58 <@jrand0m> lol Zwolly
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16:58 < Zwolly> hehe
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16:59 <@hezekiah> Zwolly: Your ISP won't have logs of this. :)
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16:59 < Zwolly> i hope not if so you guys do a louzy job
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16:59 <@hezekiah> lol
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17:00 <@hezekiah> So, I'm assuming we move on to the next agenda item
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now since we've stopped talking about i2p for a while.
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17:00 <@nop> yes
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17:00 <@nop> comments
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17:00 <@nop> suggestions
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17:01 <@jrand0m> we, should, like, do some drugs, man
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17:01 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: Sorry. I refuse to ruin a good mind with such
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substances.
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17:01 < wilde> question: isn't the release plan a bit optimistic=
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17:01 < wilde> ?
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17:02 <@hezekiah> wilde: lol. Well, my term would be 'insane'. But I
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think it might be feasible.
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17:02 <@jrand0m> wilde> good question. it should be plausible, and if
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any devs on there want to adjust tasks they are working on, we will.
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17:03 < thecrypto> we can do it!
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17:04 <@jrand0m> go TEAM!
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17:04 < wilde> aim high that's good, but it should be realistic
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17:04 < wilde> do you guys have time enough for the actual programming?
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17:04 * jrand0m quit his job to work on this, and a few people have
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summer break coming up
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17:05 < wilde> i mean september-october that's like 60-90 days
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17:05 < wilde> ok that's sounds good
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17:05 <@jrand0m> but don't believe us. we'll release when its ready.
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17:05 <@hezekiah> jrand0m: BTW, since you quit your job, how are you
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going to eat while you code this?
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17:05 < jeremiah> wilde: we're going to be implementing lots of it in
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high-level languages and then re-coding in C later
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17:05 <@jrand0m> hezekiah> I eat code
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17:05 <@hezekiah> I was afraid you'd say something like that.
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17:06 <@jrand0m> ;)
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17:06 <@hezekiah> I just hope you've got a good nest egg to live on.
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17:06 < jeremiah> jrand0m: my code eats random numbers
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17:06 < jeremiah> that might make a bad loop
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17:06 <@hezekiah> ROTFL!
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17:07 < wilde> drinking java, eating python, roasted ant, could go
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17:07 <@jrand0m> but bugs have lots of protien
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17:07 * jrand0m !thwaps self
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17:07 <@jrand0m> ok, do we have other questions / comments /
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suggestions?
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17:07 <@hezekiah> Well, I've got to go now.
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17:07 <@hezekiah> Bye everyone. :)
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17:07 <@jrand0m> or are we actually finishing up in under an hour?
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17:07 <@jrand0m> lol wilde
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17:08 <@jrand0m> nop> got anything or we done?
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17:10 -!- UserX [~User@anon.iip] has quit [Ping timeout]
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17:10 -!- wilde [anon@anon.iip] has quit []
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17:10 <@cohesion> ok, i'm ending the meeting
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17:11 < nemesis> STOP!
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17:11 <@cohesion> nop: i'll get with you about CVS tomarrow
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17:11 * jrand0m stops
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17:11 < nemesis> ganttproject-1.9.7.jar
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17:11 <@cohesion> GO!
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17:11 < nemesis> how it works?
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17:11 <@nop> ok
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17:11 <@nop> also
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17:11 <@nop> aes
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17:11 <@jrand0m> nemesis> just double click on it with java 1.4.2
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installed
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17:11 <@nop> we should use 256 bit as a norm
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17:11 < nemesis> i have java 1.4.2...
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17:11 <@jrand0m> nemesis> I'll email out the xml with the project info
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17:12 <@jrand0m> word nop, definitely
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17:13 < nemesis> Could not find the main class. Program will exit!
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17:13 < nemesis> hm.. i think my java are broken.... Title of the
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Window: Java Virtual Machine Launcher...
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17:14 <@jrand0m> weird nemesis, works for me... make sure its loading it
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with the 1.4.2 jvm and not the windows jvm
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17:14 <@jrand0m> ah, try running from the cmd.exe command line
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17:14 < nemesis> eh?
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17:14 < nemesis> k
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17:14 < nemesis> then i write a .bat for it, like for columba :)
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17:14 <@cohesion> ok, i'm closing the logs
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17:14 <@jrand0m> (and type java -version first to make sure it uses the
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right one)
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17:14 <@jrand0m> heh word
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17:14 <@cohesion> everyone say "cheese"
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17:14 <@jrand0m> queso
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17:14 < thecrypto> cheese
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17:15 < Zwolly> chesse
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17:15 < Zwolly> cheese
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17:15 < nemesis> E:\Sytemprogramme\server\Projektverwaltung>java
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ganttproject-1.9.7.jar
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17:15 < nemesis> Exception in thread "main"
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java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: ganttproject-1/9/7/ja
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17:15 < nemesis> r
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17:16 <@jrand0m> java -jar ganttproject-1.9.7.jar
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17:16 < nemesis> java version "1.4.2-beta"
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17:16 < nemesis> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build
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1.4.2-beta-b19)
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17:16 < nemesis> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-beta-b19, mixed
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mode)
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17:16 < nemesis> hm... why with -jar?
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17:16 < nemesis> now it works...
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17:17 -!- ion [ion@anon.iip] has quit [Ping timeout]
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17:17 < nemesis> thx jrand0m
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17:17 <@jrand0m> without -jar asks it to load the class
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ganttproject-1/9/7/jar
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17:17 <@jrand0m> np
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17:17 < jeremiah> is cvs working?
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17:17 < jeremiah> i checked out earlier today, but it's weird now
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17:17 <@jrand0m> sourceforge is being a pain atm
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--- Log closed Tue Jul 22 17:18:14 2003</pre> |