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<p>13:10 <+postman> yep</p>
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<p>13:10 < mule2> as kind of cover traffic</p>
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<p>13:10 <@jrandom> mule2: its a matter of our load being much less than our network capacity</p>
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<p>13:11 <@jrandom> i dont think we'll be able to keep the capacity greater than the load for long</p>
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<p>13:11 < ant> <jnymo> mule2, postman is also act as i mixer.. so its hard to tell where you packets are going after they go in</p>
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<p>13:11 <@jrandom> so i'm not too worried about not pushing any data through slower peers</p>
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<p>13:12 < jdot__> i it a security issue that one router handles all(ish) tunnels?</p>
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<p>13:13 <@jrandom> mule2: lets first get it as good as we can get it, then we can discuss proactively making it worse</p>
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<p>13:13 <@jrandom> jdot__: we don't have one router handling all of the traffic, but we are seeing the grouping of routers who are on very fast connections (colo, etc) handling more than dialup/dsl/cable users</p>
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<p>13:14 <@jrandom> plus the reduced tunnel failures means we're shifting & exploring less</p>
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<p>13:14 < mule2> perhaps some traffic distribution would be possible, as long as we are far from the routers limits</p>
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<p>13:14 <@jrandom> right, probabalistic tunnel rejection is in the router and can be enabled based on the router's bandwidth limits</p>
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<p>13:15 < lektriK> can I close the Start I2P window?</p>
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<p>13:15 * postman is very sorry NOT to restrict his bandwidth</p>
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<p>13:16 <@jrandom> lektriK: unfortunately, not really, unless you start i2p as a service (See http://localhost:7657/configservice.jsp)</p>
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<p>13:16 <@jrandom> heh postman dont worry, we'll back off your router if/when we reach your router's capacity</p>
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<p>13:17 < lektriK> Ok, it sais service started</p>
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<p>13:17 < lektriK> can I close it now?</p>
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<p>13:17 <@jrandom> lektriK: no/yes - you can shut down your router then start it again via start->run->"net start i2p"</p>
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<p>13:18 < mule2> as it is, a few very big routers could handle all the tunnels, removing all cover traffic from all other routers. but lets continue with that after the meeting.</p>
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<p>13:18 < mule2> don't want to complain about the network behaving to good :)</p>
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<p>13:18 <@jrandom> hehe</p>
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<p>13:20 <@jrandom> some further exploration will occur with 0.5, though there are anonymity related issues with spreading too far. there'll be further details to be worked through on that for 0.5 though (and in the doc which might be ready next week as a first draft)</p>
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<p>13:21 <@jrandom> anyway, anyone else have something to bring up for 0.4.2.5? </p>
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<p>13:21 <@jrandom> or shall we move on briefly to 2) 0.5?</p>
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<p>13:21 <+postman> move</p>
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<p>13:23 <@jrandom> aye, there are definitely some important revamping going on, based on what we've learned over the last 16 months</p>
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<p>13:23 <@jrandom> (or shit, 18)</p>
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<p>13:23 <+postman> jrandom: so 0.5 will emnploy a new tunnel management system mostly?</p>
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<p>13:23 < ant> <Quadn-werk> arg, i hope i didnt interrupt the meeting :/</p>
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<p>13:23 <+postman> wow</p>
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<p>13:23 < ant> <Quadn-werk> sorry heh</p>
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<p>13:24 <@jrandom> sup jnymo?</p>
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<p>13:24 <+postman> jrandom: will every tunnel be a separate local destination still?</p>
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<p>13:25 <@jrandom> huzzawuzzah?</p>
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<p>13:25 <@jrandom> there won't be any change to i2ptunnel in 0.5</p>
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<p>13:25 <+postman> jrandom: ok</p>
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<p>13:25 <@jrandom> (at least, i dont plan on any)</p>
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<p>13:26 < mule> postman mounting an intersection attack?</p>
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<p>13:26 < ant> <jnymo> for those who aren't getting /any/ bandwidth usage.. how bout letting routers build tunnels with them in it.. like ABCABCA</p>
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<p>13:31 < ant> <jnymo> jrandom: k cool</p>
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<p>13:31 <+postman> k</p>
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<p>13:31 < scintilla> jrandom, wrt to letting clients choose tunnel length: will there be anything in place to keep ppl from cranking it up to 99 (or whatever)?</p>
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<p>13:31 < ant> <jnymo> cpu power</p>
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<p>13:32 <@jrandom> when necessary we can add hashcash, but excessively long tunnels will just end up failing anyway</p>
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<p>13:32 < scintilla> ah good point</p>
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<p>13:37 <@jrandom> yeah frosk</p>
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<p>13:37 < frosk> goodie</p>
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<p>13:37 <@jrandom> i wont dawdle too much longer on the streaming lib, i promise ;)</p>
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<p>13:37 < frosk> it just sounds like a lot of work :)</p>
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<p>13:38 <@jrandom> its actually not so bad, the hard part is getting the algorithms right</p>
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<p>13:38 <@jrandom> (details schmetails ;)</p>
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<p>13:39 <+postman> frosk: and it's all on paper already</p>
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<p>13:43 < mule> sorry, the comment was from frosk</p>
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<p>13:43 < ant> * jnymo pulles out that crappy box wine</p>
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<p>13:43 < mule> frosk: do you also hand over the bonus cheque ?</p>
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<p>13:43 <@jrandom> (it waits a bit to send the SYN and the related ACK in case there is more data to bundle)</p>
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<p>13:43 < scintilla> oh fyi, i should be receiving the book with the fortuna algorithm spec in it soon... in the meantime i've been experimenting with trying to gather entropy in java without destroying a machine</p>
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<p>13:44 <@jrandom> ah kickass</p>
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<p>13:44 < ant> <jnymo> mmm, someone was wanting to mount some attacks on i2p</p>
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<p>13:44 < ant> <jnymo> who was that?</p>
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<p>13:44 <@jrandom> connelly</p>
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<p>13:49 <@jrandom> or even =100</p>
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<p>13:49 * jrandom flings mud at jnymo</p>
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<p>13:50 < ant> <jnymo> i actually do work with x500 and my job lets me have free winSevers</p>
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<p>13:50 < ant> <jnymo> so, perhaps i'll just set up a central DNS for testing purposes in a month or two</p>
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<p>13:51 <@jrandom> heh, having a centralized naming server hosted on a .mil would be bloody hilarious </p>
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<p>13:51 < ant> <jnymo> though hacking i2p addresses into winserver may be non-trivial.. dunno</p>
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<p>13:51 < ant> <jnymo> heh.. dnsalias is the ticket</p>
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<p>13:52 <@jrandom> nano has done some really cool work, integrating dnsjava with i2p</p>
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<p>13:52 < ant> <jnymo> ooooh</p>
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